Category talk:Incel community
Latest comment: 4 years ago by -sche in topic RFM discussion: August–September 2020
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Just added by someone who knows nothing about our category infrastructure. Not sure where this should go in the category tree, but right now it's a dead end. Chuck Entz (talk) 13:54, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Also speedy revert all of their recent edits. Dixtosa (talk) 14:22, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Chuck Entz, Dixtosa: I hope we can keep this category, I would like to reference it in the future. However, I have zero experience with categories on Wiktionary. Is there anything I can do to help improve it? Like adding more words to it? Amin (talk) 19:35, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- LOLOL Keep, for the pure hilarity. --
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- For at least the last few days, it's had only four entries in it, one of which (cope) I finally just removed because I didn't spot anything in the entry which suggests the word has a distinct meaning in or specific to incels. (The others are roastie, chad and incel.) If this is to be kept, it should have more than three entries, no? - -sche (discuss) 07:36, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
- Also, if this is kept, move the category to (or at least add it to) the lemma entry Chad rather than the alt form stub chad it's currently on... - -sche (discuss) 07:39, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
- There are probably enough terms at Special:WhatLinksHere/incel and Thesaurus:incel to justify a category. Chuck Entz (talk) 15:11, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
- Also, if this is kept, move the category to (or at least add it to) the lemma entry Chad rather than the alt form stub chad it's currently on... - -sche (discuss) 07:39, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
- If you wanted to know where it should go: Technically as topical category to the data of Module:category tree/topic cat to have language suffixes, but: I am not aware of “incel communities” outside English-speaking countries. Image-board slang exists in German, but not incel slang, I believe, and I have observed many ghey things on the internet. It appears to be an outgrowth of American exceptionalism and corresponding oversexualization, primitive materialism that is so peculiar to the Usonian. That is, abstinence does not raise eyebrows in Europe; the opposite in the consumeristic USA. The people in Japan exhibit very different behaviour, too, though celibacy be more frequent. Fay Freak (talk) 14:21, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
- Move to Category:Incel subculture slang, Category:Incel subculture, or Category:Incel slang, any of which I think would be more appropriate, and move all the entries to their language-specific topical subcategories, most or all of which I'd presume would be English. Although apparently incels are most commonly found in English-speaking countries, apparently there are a few in other countries too (I've heard of some in Germany) who have picked up on the fad, though in much smaller numbers, so the possibility still exists that incel slang terms may see attestable equivalents in other languages than English. It is less a "community" of people than an Internet subculture with members who may or may not necessarily associate with one another based on the label alone, and with several separate communities within...as far as I know anyway. However, there are enough entries at this point, and the potential for more related entries, for this to be a valid category. Some more words to categorize here that I've found are looksmaxx, Trixie, Stacy, incelosphere, volcel, femcel, fakecel, truecel, and ricecel. There are probably a few I'm missing. Also, there are some other neologisms that seem not to be attested by our standards at this time, but will probably be attested later if the popularity of this fad continues, like heightcel, incelism, fatcel, gymcel, turbomanlet, escortcel, etc. And if all those words don't give you an idea of how laughably ridiculous this whole pseudoscientific incel fad is I don't know what will... As a matter of fact, this whole thing inspired me to create the entry pseudobiology. PseudoSkull (talk) 18:47, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
- I don't quite see what's pseudoscientific about an online community of violent misogynists. They don't actually pretend there's a medical or biological reason why they can't get laid, do they? —Mahāgaja · talk 19:00, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Mahagaja They indeed do...or at least most of them do. They believe things like that they can't get laid, by any "femoid", ever, because of their skull shape being disproportionate. Furthermore, only the Chads get the girls, ever, according to their ideology. Except that incels don't account for genetic mutations or cultural differences at all which might explain how human beings have...different...preferences from one another?! And women don't all monolithically like the same type of man (if they even like men at all)?!!!! That's some SHOCKING stuff!!!! I guess maybe one could argue that not every incel believes these things, but in my experience a majority of them do, especially the more "community-oriented" ones. They will base their entire inceldom purely on these specific ideas. Hey, this might have seemed like an off-topic rant, but I just came up with two more links for our category: femoid, inceldom! PseudoSkull (talk) 19:23, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
- I don't quite see what's pseudoscientific about an online community of violent misogynists. They don't actually pretend there's a medical or biological reason why they can't get laid, do they? —Mahāgaja · talk 19:00, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
- Move to Category:Incel subculture slang, Category:Incel subculture, or Category:Incel slang, any of which I think would be more appropriate, and move all the entries to their language-specific topical subcategories, most or all of which I'd presume would be English. Although apparently incels are most commonly found in English-speaking countries, apparently there are a few in other countries too (I've heard of some in Germany) who have picked up on the fad, though in much smaller numbers, so the possibility still exists that incel slang terms may see attestable equivalents in other languages than English. It is less a "community" of people than an Internet subculture with members who may or may not necessarily associate with one another based on the label alone, and with several separate communities within...as far as I know anyway. However, there are enough entries at this point, and the potential for more related entries, for this to be a valid category. Some more words to categorize here that I've found are looksmaxx, Trixie, Stacy, incelosphere, volcel, femcel, fakecel, truecel, and ricecel. There are probably a few I'm missing. Also, there are some other neologisms that seem not to be attested by our standards at this time, but will probably be attested later if the popularity of this fad continues, like heightcel, incelism, fatcel, gymcel, turbomanlet, escortcel, etc. And if all those words don't give you an idea of how laughably ridiculous this whole pseudoscientific incel fad is I don't know what will... As a matter of fact, this whole thing inspired me to create the entry pseudobiology. PseudoSkull (talk) 18:47, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
- I deleted the category because it had only three words in it, and when I went to take chad (an alt form) out and categorize the lemma Chad, I realized the category is badly named because it was holding English terms but nothing in the name indicated restriction to "en:" or "English". By all means, continue discussion about what a properly-named category would be named, but in the mean time I deleted this misnamed stub. - -sche (discuss) 02:25, 27 September 2020 (UTC)