Category talk:English inflection templates

In use?

This category has no items. Is it supposed to hold templates like {{en-noun-reg}} or is it deprecated? Rodasmith 20:19, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

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Category:English inflection templates

Apparently, the naming format Category:Foo inflection templates is widely used to represent the headword below the L3 header; in addition, Category:Foo conjugation templates and Category:Foo declension templates are only used for tables.

I would prefer this format to be changed, because it is inaccurate and not intuitive.

Alternatively, Ancient Greek headword templates are in Category:Ancient Greek POS templates, which technically would merge the functionalities of the three aforementioned category names.

If such merger is not desirable, perhaps better names would be Category:Foo headword templates, Category:Foo declension table templates and Category:Foo conjugation table templates.

I'd like to raise some specific issues related to the table/line problem, which may be fixed by renaming the related categories:

• The template that displays English verb conjugations (Template:en-verb) is not in Category:English conjugation templates but in Category:English inflection templates. So, Template:en-verb is not directly related to Category:Conjugation templates by language.
• English interjections do not have inflections, but Template:en-interj is in Category:English inflection templates.
• Similarly, Template:ja-noun, Template:el-prefix and various other templates for non-inflectable parts of speech are placed in categories named after "inflection templates".
• The Template:la-noun displays declension but is not in Category:Latin declension templates.

--Daniel. 12:17, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

"Category:English inflection templates" means "Category:English inflection-line templates". Renaming "Category:English inflection templates" to "Category:English inflection-line templates" could be in order. --Dan Polansky 15:48, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

DanP's suggestion sounds good.​—msh210℠ (talk) 18:57, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Dan's suggestion does not seem bad. Then, this would be the final category tree?

• Category:Foo inflection-line templates
• Category:Foo conjugation-table templates
• Category:Foo declension-table templates

--Daniel. 06:13, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

AFAI'm concerned, sure.​—msh210℠ (talk) 15:23, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Looks okay to me. --Dan Polansky 16:14, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

OK. I've decided, upon this consensus, to replace the categories as described above, in September 24, unless there is further discussion with opposite ideas. --Daniel. 19:04, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Support moving. --Yair rand (talk) 09:02, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

I would like to raise a number of points:

1. The consensus reached was amongst an extremely small electorate (I never knew that this page existed). The logic behind some of this may be unanswerable - but more people needed to know.

2. I have just discovered that Greek conjugation templates had moved to Category:Greek conjugation-table templates four weeks ago - had no one thought of changing all links in the documentation to the old category? (nb "Template:el-conj-'είμαι'" had been left in the old/deleted category.)

3. I am not quite so sure about the need to change "declension/conjugation" to "declension/conjugation-table" - please explain

4. The voting system may be extremely tedious - but this change should have been brought to more people's attention, especially those with a specific interest.

—Saltmarsh^{απάντηση} 10:18, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes, changing links to categories is part of the work of moving the categories. I have explained the logic in the introduction of the vote: Basically...

• The template {{el-verb}} displays Greek conjugations, therefore it is by definition a "Greek conjugation template".
• However, the standard practice was only placing conjugation tables into Category:Greek conjugation templates. Therefore, {{el-verb}} should never be a member of that category.
• The name of the category was misleading; so, we should either change its name, or change the practices to allow {{el-verb}} to be a member of it.
• In this discussion, we chose to change the name of the category. Category:Greek conjugation-table templates by definition does not include {{el-verb}}.

--Daniel. 00:31, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

No - {{el-verb}}, like {{el-noun}} and {{el-adj}} displays the headword line, which IMHO contains the minimal information that a user might want to see :) —Saltmarsh^{απάντηση} 17:08, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

See also the follow-up of this discussion:

• Beer parlour, Poll: Inflection to inflection-line, November 2010
• Beer parlour, Poll: Inflection to inflection-line 2, November 2010

--Dan Polansky 13:57, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Striking, long since superseded by a series of Beer parlour discussions. --Mglovesfun (talk) 10:06, 14 April 2011 (UTC)