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Happy 2023

Dear Saltmarsh! I wish you a Happy New Year, to all of you! with health and happiness. ‑‑Sarri.greek ^♫ I 02:02, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

@Sarri.greek Thank you K, and the same to you!! At home at is well, elsewhere "things can only get better" !! — Saltmarsh^🢃 07:12, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

I am so grateful

Boss! I am so grateful for your help! And your argument was perfect too! Thank you so much. ‑‑Sarri.greek ^♫ I 07:32, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

About happy birthday expression

About χαρούμενα γενέθλια, literally: happy birthday. It is not an expression of wish. It means, a birthday that is very happy (we had a good time). One could say: I wish you χαρούμενα γενέθλια, meaning, I wish that your birthday will be a happy day, a pleasant occasion. The standard wishes are

• να τα εκατοστίσεις (na ta ekatostíseis) (singular) να τα εκατοστίσετε (plural, polite plural), literally: may you make them [the years of your life] a hundred.
• Also, the general wish χρόνια πολλά (chrónia pollá) (literally: years many) may you live many years...

‑‑Sarri.greek ^♫ I 17:55, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

• @Sarri.greek — Corrected — thanks — Saltmarsh^🢃 19:13, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. A better spelling, above. I added it at χρόνια πολλά. ‑‑Sarri.greek ^♫ I 19:16, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Updating you on talks

Dear @Saltmarsh, I know you do not like talks, and too much blah blah, but I always update you on what I do around here: Just started a discussion to separate Medieval from Ancient Greek at Beer parlour. Not that I expect any results... I have a huge workload at el.wikt these days, but I'll be back soon! Spring is coming! My best regards to F. ‑‑Sarri.greek ^♫ I 06:48, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

@Sarri.greek just thinking how best to reply :)   — Saltmarsh^🢃 10:25, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, your tabs were a nice touch. I had to apply at a certain point, to do my duty, but I would not pursue the matter any further.

en.wikt has Middle this and that, why bother with greek or updating according to greek lexicographers like Kriaras... Perhaps the CambridgeGrammar for Medieval Gr. and Early Mod.Greek would be some kind of alert. (PS. The period 1453-1669 (1500-1700) is also called post-med or early.modern or late.medieval etc. At el.wikt we have placed it under Med. as Kriaras does. Also, because it is done in polytonic.) ‑‑Sarri.greek ^♫ I 10:41, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

How many prefix pages?

I was never sure what to do: How many pages for the variations of prefixes? And how many categories? (I'll also check the ancient similars). E.g. Asking because of this edit by anon, which is correct, of course. The usual pattern is 3fold. For the first two, there is absolutely no rule for the accent. It is just there, or not. For the third, yes, it appears without its last vowel bevore vowels. This pattern is repetitive by the hundreds.

• ψευδο- (psevdo-), ψευδό- & ψευδ-

Would you confirm the way to go about it? Follow the most analytical way?

• 1) 3 pages like our anon friend wishes? 3 Categories. example Like υδρο- (ydro-), υδρό-, υδρ-. minimal info at 2nd and 3rd. But at ψευδο- I have placed all the examples. Which version do you prefer?
• 2) 2 pages? (one for the first two, and one for the one missing its last vowel)
• 3) one page for all three with notes - 3 categores.

The 'ancients' just put them all in ONE category. But they have pages for every script.
At el.wikt, we tend to put redirects to the accented ones (ha! we = whn I am too tired to make all three pages! Nobody else does them.).
And there are some tricky ones, with multiple senses like αν- from ανα- (ana-) or from pivative α- (as their ancient coutnerparts have), Ofcourse, they have their pages.<br Sorry, I needed this confirmation, as things get more complicated. Thank youuuu ‑‑Sarri.greek ^♫ I 14:06, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

@Sarri.greek: I have never understood why for example the -ο- part here is not an interfix. If you split up then you suddenly have but one prefix, even if followed by -ο-, and of course irrespectively of the tone mark in so far as tone marks are conditioned by whole words. Some IP asked me at Talk:politonym, Talk:potamonym, Talk:ichthyonym, Talk:dendronym for the suffix. It seems to me that people learn the prefixes and suffixes with the interfix for simplicity but such analysis is not strictly true. Fay Freak (talk) 14:16, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

@Fay Freak you will forgive by bad English: i sometimes cannot understand your very nice and elaborate syntax. I presume, you are asking two things here.

1) -ο- and -ό- should be added to ψευδο- < ψευδ(ής) (pseud(ḗs)) + -ο- as a Category.infix -ο-, and to ψευδό- as a Category.infix.-ό-. True. And I would agree, that for non hellenophones, pages for both ψευδο- & ψευδό- would be helpul. At el.wikt, we do not have too many editors, and we just add the categories manually under the redirect.

2) the -ώνυμος (-ónymos) -ώνυμο -onym, -onymy etc as at the above questions is a different thing. The ὄνομα (ónoma, “name”) from form ὄνυμα (ónuma) suffers a .. errr Wackernagel law of extending the initial omicron ο to omega ω when in composition. So, it is the beginning of the second compound. At ψευδώνυμος (pseudṓnumos) < ψευδ- (loosing its interfix -ο-, because a vowel follows) + -ώνυμος. ‑‑Sarri.greek ^♫ I 14:50, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

@Sarri.greek Thanks.

2) Thus actually in the suffix case one could analyze +-o- +-onym if one were to be pedantic but this would rather confuse readers, as in English (analogically in other languages) one does not see it anymore and the only justification lies in Greek.

1) Even if we have a page ψευδο-, and its etymology is declared ψευδής + -o-, this would still leave the question why there would be any Greek page analyzing +ψευδο- instead of +ψευδ-+-ο-. The latter solution of course could avoid many “alternative form” pages of affixes altogether. Fay Freak (talk) 15:00, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

@Fay Freak, at en.wikt, morphology in composition is not written out (I have never seen it) probably because dictionaries like LSJ, and all those found at {{R:LOGEION}} just give the elements as full words (.e.g ψευδής, όνυμα). At greek sources, like {{R:DSMG}} -but he does not do ancient etymologies, only modern), and at {{R:Babiniotis 2010}} they are written out precisely, like a chemical equation: nothing missing. In Greek, we do not have composition of words but of stems and endings. The ψευδ(ής) + somthing is truly meant as:

ψευδώνυμος < ψευδ(ο-) < ψευδ(ής) + -ώνυμ(α) + ending masc.adjective -ος < ὄνυμα

The expected interfix (as it should always appear in composition) is gone. ‑‑Sarri.greek ^♫ I 15:11, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

PS @Fay Freak see this cat ψευδ- @el.wikt ‑‑Sarri.greek ^♫ I 15:15, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ @Fay Freak, Sarri.greek — Please forgive my absence, family visiting. — I don't really know, except when guided by dictionaries. Pressure of dictionary space (not something which affects us) may sometimes limit the number of separate forms shown there. But I am afraid that I'm not very diligent (or consistent) in creating etymologies or any resulting suffix entries. So I'm not much help!!   — Saltmarsh^🢃 11:36, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

αερομπαλόνια etc.

Hi Saltmarsh. Since αερομπαλόνι has been delete, the same applies to their forms. Please, take care of this matter; it's three "form-articles" in all to be deleted. Thanks in advance. ――Chalk19 (talk) 19:24, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Someone seems to have beaten me to it! Cheers   — Saltmarsh^🢃 06:34, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

@Chalk19 Oh dear! Amnesia, it was me.   — Saltmarsh^🢃 09:41, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Φρεαττύδα, Φρεαττώ

Thanks for adding the declension table to Φρεαττύδα. I wonder, could you also take a look at Φρεαττώ, please? I've collected some (Modern) Greek quotations at Citations:Φρεαττώ, which should support an entry. Thanks again. 0DF (talk) 10:47, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

@0DF I'm afraid that I steer clear of Ancient Greek, and conjugating verbs stretches my competence!   — Saltmarsh^🢃 06:39, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Sorry I missed your response over a year ago! I was referring to the quotations in Citations:Φρεαττώ#Greek, which cite a proper noun (not a verb), date from the 19th–20th CC., and are written in polytonic orthography. 0DF (talk) 10:43, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

@0DF But I haven't edited those citations!   — Saltmarsh^☮ 04:08, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Autumn

Dear boss! autumn season (schools beginning), and I am still idle, extending my August vacation -away from computers and chores-. I hope you had a good summer! It is not uncommon to wish καλή χρονιά in September or October!! ‑‑Sarri.greek ^♫ I 10:55, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

@Sarri.greek: Κι εσύ !, I have been intending to email you - is that OK?   — Saltmarsh^🢃 11:13, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Of course. I am lazy, but back :) ‑‑Sarri.greek ^♫ I 11:53, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Help

Hi Saltmarsh. Is there a page like an Amdins Noticeboard on en/Wiktionary ? I' d like to report a sockpuppetry case. Thanks in advance. ——Chalk19 (talk) 13:22, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

@Chalk19, Benwing2 I don't think so. I think you should contact a more active admin than me. I've pinged Benwing here, perhaps a 1st port of call. And I'm sorry not to be of more help.   — Saltmarsh^🢃 11:29, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

@Chalk19 There's no real admins board because these issues aren't so common. When you have a specific concern with a specific user, usual practice is to post to the Beer Parlour i.e. WT:Beer parlour/2023/September. Benwing2 (talk) 20:22, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

@Saltmarsh, @Benwing2 : Thank you both for responding. Regards! —— Chalk19 (talk) 12:01, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Wishes

Dear mentor! Ready for 2024? It will be here in some hours! My best wishes to all of you. Have fun! And, ...I hope it will be a better year in general :) ‑‑Sarri.greek ^♫ I 06:37, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

@Sarri.greek Κι εσύ. There is an English saying "a glass half full person" is optimistic as opposed to someone whose "glass is half empty". I'm afraid that I am often the latter, unless I view my personal life when "I'm alright Jack". Anyway - my very best wishes for your "personal life".   — Saltmarsh^🢃 06:59, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! -I am away from my own computer these days- and I'm fine. Thinking of it: The glass is always half full, since it initially is default-empty: we have to pour in something ourselves!! Let's fill it with some superb wine, drink up, fill it again... Lovely life! So privileged to taste it! Send my best wishes to F! ‑‑Sarri.greek ^♫ I 08:29, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

@Sarri.greek You're right of course - thank you for your cheeriness!!!   — Saltmarsh^🢃 19:15, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Hate to bother you

Dear @Saltmarsh, hope you are doing well!. I have to bother you -agggain- for this issue. If possible, could you please help, and cast votes at Wiktionary:Requests_for_moves,_mergers_and_splits#Medieval Greek from Ancient Greek at the rename and at the split section? Never mind if not possible. I thought I could do some editing at modern combined to medieval -so often at etymologies- and start doing some work, like you taught me: little by little every morning! Thanks ‑‑Sarri.greek ^♫ I 06:07, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, thank you for so fast a response! (they might not allow a split, but I will keep asking for it!) ‑‑Sarri.greek ^♫ I 06:35, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Template:R:DSMG2

Dear @Saltmarsh. Sorry to bother you about this. I have difficulty typing too much. This [Template:R:DSMG2] is not DSMG at all. It is an aid of the (CGL) Centre for the Greek Language for 2 modern and 1 medieval dictionary. Could you please, please, use the actual sources instead?: the Template:R:Georgakas (for α... words only) and the real Template:R:DSMG. I cleaned up yesterday the links to it. My surgery went well, but I have the painkillers now, also therapies coming up. Thank you, ‑‑Sarri.greek ^♫ I 06:45, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for renaming it to Template:R:CGL, dear @Saltmarsh. The reasons for using it ourselves and not presenting it to readers would be
_1 the actual dictionaries are just named in Greek -but not linked-, neither their full titles are mentioned, nor their authors
_2 a further implication is the inclusion of the medieval dictionary, which, when used at Medieval lemmata, should be transcribed to the original polytonic. Example “ατεκνία@CGL” where the "Kriaras" medieval form is originally polytonic ἀτεκνία p.310-p.311 at {{R:Kriaras Medieval2}}. The practice of Kriaras to change accents after his volume 5, -in a period when he was feverishly trying to support monotonic in general- makes our edits of Med.Greek very difficult and time consuming. ‑‑Sarri.greek ^♫ I 02:30, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for Craxton

Dear boss! Thank you so much for your email. And thank you for the info about Craxton (yes, I knew about the father). ‑‑Sarri.greek ^♫ I 14:58, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Could you please delete

Hello!! Could you please delete Template:el-nN-ος-η-2a with a genitive plural 'ων which I cannot find at any neuter ending in -ος? Thanks. ‑‑Sarri.greek ^♫ I 13:18, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Alert, table changes

Dear @Saltmarsh, please check Wiktionary:Beer_parlour/2024/November#Changes_at_inflection_el_tables because something is going on with all templates... Thanks! ‑‑Sarri.greek ^♫ I 08:31, 22 November 2024 (UTC)