Wiktionary talk:Votes/pl-2016-07/Pronunciation 2

Possible Addition

First of all, I've never commented on a vote before, so do tell me if I set this page up correctly or if I'm even commenting in the correct place. Now to my main point - just having joined Wiktionary, I found it difficult to figure out where to place the Pronunciation heading in the case of a word with two etymologies but the same pronunciation. I have seen it placed above the Etymology headings as a level 3 heading, as well as two level four headings beneath each Etymology heading, even if the pronunciation information is exactly the same. Perhaps some clarification to this issue could be added to the Pronunciation section on this page? --AtalinaDove (talk) 21:59, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

@AtalinaDove: As far as I know, there is no actual rule concerning where to place the Pronunciation heading in the case of a word with two etymologies but the same pronunciation. My suggestion is: if the pronunciation is the same in all etymologies, place the pronunciation in a single section above all etymologies. If the pronunciation changes according to the etymology, then it may be a good idea placing each pronunciation as a subsection of Etymology 1, Etymology 2, etc.

You can use WT:ID to ask questions.

This is a vote, proposing to edit WT:EL#Pronunciation (our layout policy concerning pronunciations). If people support the proposal, then that section will be edited. At the moment, both the current and proposed versions of the text don't actually mention the issue of where to place the Pronunciation heading in the case of a word with two etymologies but the same pronunciation.

In my opinion, this issue should be addressed, but not in this vote. We'd have to figure out the exact rule and the exact text to change the policy, and if the same vote gets bloated with too many proposals and changes at once, it gets proportionately harder to pass. But it can be done in a later vote. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 16:49, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Okay! Thanks for the clarification --AtalinaDove (talk) 16:55, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

(on both the issues of the Pronunciation header and the vote) --AtalinaDove (talk) 16:56, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Pinging people

I'm pinging all people (minus an anon) who placed a signed comment/vote either on Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2016-01/Pronunciation or the respective talk page.

I hope I didn't miss anyone.

This new vote is scheduled to start in 3 days.

@I'm so meta even this acronym, This, that and the other, Wikitiki89, Tharthan, -sche, DCDuring, Xbony2, Dan Polansky, Angr, Wyang --Daniel Carrero (talk) 05:23, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Please check if the vote is OK before it starts. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 05:49, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping. I made some edits to the vote, which I hope you don't mind. I have two other comments:

• I would like to get rid of the footnote about enPR being formerly called AHD. The information it contains is not useful. I don't think EL is supposed to be a museum of nomenclature that was abolished 10 years ago, even if that material is in a footnote.
• The sentence "non-linguists often have trouble writing down pronunciations properly" doesn't belong in a policy. I would like to see it removed.

This, that and the other (talk) 11:09, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for checking the vote. Feel free to edit it. I removed these two sentences as you suggested, and added notes in the "Changes and rationale" to let people know the sentences were removed.

I added a note in Appendix:English pronunciation with the historical information that AHD was changed to enPR. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 16:49, 21 July 2016 (UTC)