Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2016-09/Matched-pair entries — policy page

Matched-pair entries — policy page

Voting on: Creating a new policy page, based on the following votes and discussion.

1. The rules that were already voted and approved in:
   • Wiktionary:Votes/2015-08/Allowing matched-pair entries.
   • Wiktionary:Votes/2015-10/Matched-pair naming format: left, space, right.
2. And new rules about redirects and placement of definitions, as discussed in:
   • Wiktionary:Beer parlour/2016/June#Redirects to matched pairs.

Implementation details:

Title: Wiktionary:Matched-pair entries.

Header statement: "It should not be modified without discussion and consensus. Any substantial or contested changes require a VOTE." (currently generated by {{policy-VOTE}})

Contents:

Wiktionary:Matched-pair entries

These are the rules concerning entries for matched pairs, such as brackets and quotation marks.

Entry name (L2 header)

The title of a matched-pair entry consists of both left and right symbols, with a space in between. Examples: ( ), [ ], “ ”, ‘ ’, " ", „ ”, « », ⌊ ⌋, ¡ ! and ¿ ?.

Definitions and redirects (L2 header)

• If a symbol is only used as part of a matched pair, redirect the symbol to the matched pair.
• If a symbol is used as part of multiple matched pairs, create the entry for the symbol, with a definition linking it to all the matched pairs.
• If a symbol is used by itself and also as part of at least one matched pair, create the entry for the symbol and list the individual uses normally, plus create a definition linking it to all the matched pairs.

Examples:

• The symbols ⌈ and ⌉ are used together to form the ceiling function in math. Unless any of these is attested as used by itself, both entries should redirect to ⌈ ⌉.
• The entry ” may exist, with a definition pointing to matched-pair entries that include this symbol, such as: “ ”, ” ” and „ ”.
• The entry ) may exist, listing any senses where it is used by itself, which may include: used in lists, like "A) milk, B) eggs, C) flour". There should be a definition pointing to ( ).

References (L2 header)

Edit WT:EL#Entry name accordingly, replacing this red-bordered text by the green-bordered text:

WT:EL#Entry name

Matched-pairs, such as brackets and quotation marks, can be defined together as single entries. The entries are named with a space between the left and right characters. Examples: ( ), [ ], “ ”, ‘ ’, " ", „ ”, « », ⌊ ⌋, ¡ ! and ¿ ?.

References

For names of matched-pair entries, see Wiktionary:Matched-pair entries#Entry name.

References

Edit WT:EL#Definitions accordingly, adding this text:

WT:EL#Definitions

For definitions concerning matched-pair entries and their components, see Wiktionary:Matched-pair entries#Definitions and redirects.

References

Schedule:

• Vote starts: 00:00, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
• Vote ends: 23:59, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Vote ends: 23:59, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

• Vote created: --Daniel Carrero (talk) 14:02, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

Discussion:

• Wiktionary:Beer parlour/2016/June#Redirects to matched pairs
• Wiktionary:Beer parlour/2016/September#Matched-pairs policy
• Wiktionary talk:Votes/pl-2016-09/Matched-pair entries — policy page

Support

1. Support --Daniel Carrero (talk) 05:43, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
2. Support — Andrew Sheedy (talk) 23:35, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
3. Support This, that and the other (talk) 02:56, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
4. Support This isn't much for one policy, don't you think? -Xbony2 (talk) 12:10, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

   Maybe. I'm open to discuss other suggestions, but I wanted to have a single place for information that WT:EL would probably have in the separate sections "Entry name" and "Definitions". I wouldn't want to create a separate EL section like "WT:EL#Matched-pair entries" either, because the policy is really about some entry names and definitions. Additionally, in the future, I'd like to discuss separate rules to add to this policy, if other people agree:

   • suggesting that a matched-pair entry can use character boxes for their components... * * has a box explaining the * (asterisk)
   • suggesting that the headword line of a matched-pair entry should also use the format "left, space, right" (without ellipsis or whatever), linking to the components: * *

   I like to try to keep policy proposals simple... For example, I dislike the style of the (think thank) Wiktionary:Reconstructed terms. For a policy page, it contains a lot of encyclopedic information instead of a link to Wikipedia, and only a few actual regulations. (P.S.: If we wanted to add an explanation about the history of parentheses and quotation marks to Wiktionary:Matched-pair entries, it could be a lot longer... But I don't think we want to do that. I'm just criticizing when it happens in other pages.) --Daniel Carrero (talk) 12:40, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

5. Support — I.S.M.E.T.A. 22:40, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
6. Support — Eru·tuon 02:45, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
7. Support — Jberkel (talk) 17:09, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Oppose

• Oppose — I disagree with § “Definitions and redirects”, § 1: “If a symbol is only used as part of a matched pair, redirect the symbol to the matched pair.” if “hard redirect” is meant. Each of the constituent symbols should get its own soft-redirecting entry that includes {{character info/new}} (or whichever more specific template) and that may include an etymology etc. BTW, @Daniel Carrero, n.b. {{fake==}}. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 20:22, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

  The entry ⌈ ⌉ has two characters boxes, one for each component character. It could have an etymology for both characters. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 21:01, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

  @Daniel Carrero: Actually, that's fine. My opposition was ill thought through. I've stricken my vote. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 22:39, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

1. Oppose I don't think there should be a separate policy page for such a minor thing. --Dan Polansky (talk) 09:36, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

Decision

Passed: 7-1-0 (87.5%-12.5%) --Daniel Carrero (talk) 01:57, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

Edited policies accordingly. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 02:11, 18 November 2016 (UTC)