Template talk:non-conj-table

Revamp

@Mårtensås, Ofkosinn some of us are currently doing a sweep of Wiktionary's inflection tables to modernise and update their look. This template is one of a number of inflection tables that looks poor in Wiktionary's new dark mode, and also exhibits a fixed width, so that there is excessive space in the inflection table of short words.

It occurred to me that, instead of solving these issues using the existing layout, it might be possible to present Old Norse verb conjugations in a more compact manner, following the model of some of the West Germanic lects (e.g. Saterland Frisian and Bavarian).

This could be achieved by placing the subjunctive alongside the indicative. Here's an example using the {{inflection-table-top}} template that's used in other Old Norse templates as well as the above two linked examples:

Conjugation of drekka — active (strong class 3)

infinitive	drekka
present participle	drekkandi
past participle	drukkinn
	indicative			subjunctive
	present	past		present	past
1st person singular	drekk	drakk		drekka	drykka
2nd person singular	drekkr	drakkt		drekkir	drykkir
3rd person singular	drekkr	drakk		drekki	drykki
1st person plural	drekkum	drukkum		drekkim	drykkim
2nd person plural	drekkið	drukkuð		drekkið	drykkið
3rd person plural	drekka	drukku		drekki	drykki
imperative	present
2nd person singular	drekk
1st person plural	drekkum
2nd person plural	drekkið

Conjugation of drekka — mediopassive (strong class 3)

infinitive	drekkask
present participle	drekkandisk
past participle	drukkizk
	indicative			subjunctive
	present	past		present	past
1st person singular	drekkumk	drukkumk		drekkumk	drykkumk
2nd person singular	drekksk	drakkzk		drekkisk	drykkisk
3rd person singular	drekksk	drakksk		drekkisk	drykkisk
1st person plural	drekkumsk	drukkumsk		drekkimsk	drykkimsk
2nd person plural	drekkizk	drukkuzk		drekkizk	drykkizk
3rd person plural	drekkask	drukkusk		drekkisk	drykkisk
imperative	present
2nd person singular	drekksk
1st person plural	drekkumsk
2nd person plural	drekkizk

As you can see, the table presents the same information in a more compact manner, using slightly less "vertical scroll space" on the page. The appearance lacks the vertically cramped yet horizontally overly-spaced look of the current template.

A similar layout would likely work for Icelandic and (potentially) German verb tables as well.

I'd be keen to hear any feedback on this layout. This, that and the other (talk) 08:29, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

I support standardisation of templates, especially in closely related languages. The layout looks good, but there's a fair bit of grey space on the right hand side. Don't know if this would be possible to get rid of. ᛙᛆᚱᛐᛁᚿᛌᛆᛌ ᛭ Proto-Norsing ᛭ Ask me anything 15:17, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

@Mårtensås thanks for your support. Unfortunately I can't see any obvious way to rearrange the template to fill the space; do you have any ideas? For the infinitive and participles, you could stretch their cells to fill the entire width of the box. I personally feel that this tends to draw the term too far away from its descriptive header, but do you think it would look better? This, that and the other (talk) 07:01, 27 February 2025 (UTC)