Template talk:given name

Comments

I think that this template should be altered; to either

1. have categorisation not default (as it does at present) to Category:Given names, but rather allows a user to insert the word into one or both of the categories Category:Female given names, Category:Male given names, by some parameter.
2. establish more specific templates for {{male given name}} (which is to categorise to this category), {{female given name}} (to categorise the this category), and {{given name}} (to categorise entries into both categories : in the case of names such as Ashley and others which are given names for both males and females).

I am most certainly willing to design the latter templates; and I could probably figure out how to do the first option, too, if someone were to explain parameters to me. Does anyone oppose this or have any suggestions? Beobach972 19:17, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

It has been done. Or, it has been begun, at least. Beobach972 19:35, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

You don't need specific templates. Just have the category change based on the male/female parameter in this template.... — [ ric | opiaterein ] — 14:51, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Standardize to lang

I think the second parameter should be switched now that we have a template naming convention for these things. It should be "lang=de" instead of "de:". --Connel MacKenzie 01:14, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree, someone who has a bot and the necessary experience could arrange for any current template inclusion syntax to be fixed.--Williamsayers79 11:16, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Interwiki request

Please add <noinclude>[[sl:Predloga:osebno ime]]</noinclude>. --Andrejj 16:06, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Would it not make more sense to have template interwiki's on the Talk pages, seeing as we don't have any other information on the template page? Conrad.Irwin 16:10, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

We never place interwikis on templates. You are welcome to link the talk pages. Robert Ullmann 16:12, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Done (using the /doc pattern). --Bequw → τ 21:26, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Uncategorized

The template is uncategorized. Again, I voice my opinion that having these templates protected is a bad solution to a minuscule problem. __meco 18:43, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Where do you want to Categorize it? I will unprotect it as it needs editing. Conrad.Irwin 18:48, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I haven't categorized any templates before, but Category:Templates that call language and Category:Entry templates perhaps? __meco 18:57, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't many people have, maybe that's our problem. Category:Templates that call language should be redundant to the automatic list. Should this template be in the same category as {{plural of}} or that crowd? Conrad.Irwin 18:59, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

It should be categorized no matter what. If we don't find an appropriate existing category, we should put it into Category:Uncategorized templates. Then some attention will see to it that it gets a fitting category. __meco 19:04, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

See WT:I2T the only current template organisation tool. We really ought to sort them all out, but there are bazillions of them and I don't have the patience, though don't let me discourage you. Conrad.Irwin 19:13, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

From immediate or ultimate ancestor

If more of the etymology is known, which is preferable for the from field: the immediate parent language, or the ultimate origin? I'm specifically looking at Ukrainian Михайло, which was borrowed into OES. and inherited by Ukrainian: Hebrew > Greek > (Church Slavonic) > Old East Slavic ... Ukrainian. —Michael Z. 2008-08-26 15:39 z

Categorising diminutives

Could someone update the template to automatically categorise diminutive forms. We could add a "diminutive=yes" parameter to the template, which would modify the auto-included category:

• from [[Category:{{langname|{{{lang|English}}}}} {{{gender|{{{1}}}}}} given names
• to [[Category:{{langname|{{{lang|English}}}}} {{ #if: {{{diminutive}}}|diminutives of}} {{{gender|{{{1}}}}}} given names

It would need a more careful inspection, given that there are other variables which affect categorisation. The placement of diminutives of is also open to discussion, though some categories with this naming already exist. Consider, for example, Category:Italian diminutives of male given names and its parent Category:Italian male given names. Mindmatrix 21:07, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Is there no interest in this? I'd make the changes myself, but I don't have sufficient privileges to edit the template. Mindmatrix 14:09, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

sorting

Would it be possible to add a parameter for sorting? I am thinking of Japanese, where given names are usually written in kanji, the logographic script, but it would be better to sort by hiragana, the phonetic script, which is how Japanese dictionaries are written. This is already done with the hidx parameter in headword line templates, skey in Template:context, and sort in Template:suffix. It's up to the editor to provide the right phonetic script version for that field, and the template just has to use that for sorting. It makes things look much better and of course it makes it easier for readers to find what they are looking for. Thanks! Haplology 15:16, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Done, I hope. Mglovesfun (talk) 15:18, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back on this so fast. I tried sort and skey for a few but I can't get them to sort--for example 美智子. Is sort the field name? Thanks Haplology 08:31, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Categorization

Shouldn't this template add all relevant categories, rather than the most specific one, save [[Category:<langname> given names]]? For example, {{given name|male|from=Hebrew|lang=de}} Should, in my opinion, categorize in German male given names and Category:German given names from Hebrew (or Category:German male given names from Hebrew). Right now, doesn't add Category:German male given names as it's supersesed rather than accompanied by the latter category. --Mglovesfun (talk) 17:00, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Script error with language.

When using the parameter “lang=hr” or “lang=Croatian”, the template will show “Script error”. Please fix this. But if that’s not the issue, what am I doing wrong? 〜britannic124 (talk) 20:10, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Croatian is treated together with Bosnian, Montenegrin and Serbian as a single language, with the code "sh". The code "hr" was deleted some time ago and no longer works. —CodeCat 20:14, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Multiple diminutives

Is there a way to put multiple diminutives? 〜britannic124 (talk) 20:15, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Equivalent of English

Often an English-language name equivalent is listed after this template, and it would be good to have support for at least 5-6 optional parameters for them. E.g. "An equivalent of English X, Y, Z...". --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 17:32, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Addition of transliterated as parameter

Can someone, who can edit this template, please add a parameter to indicate the transliteration of a name in the sense line. This is useful in situations were there exists a common transliteration that is different from the one used by our system.

For an example see this diff. The name חַוָּה (khavá) is commonly transliterated as Chava (and also Chavah, Hava and Havva), by us as khavá, and is equivalent to English Eve.

So usage would be something like:

{{given name|female|lang=he|tr=Chava|eq=Eve}}

A female given name, transliterated Chava, and equivalent to English Eve

Enosh (talk) 13:32, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Display should show source language

The template categorizes into source language, but does not display it, except in the category section, which may not be visible on long entries. Even when it is, users have probably learned to ignore categorization. I hoped that the eq parameter would do the job, but it insists on displaying only "English" equivalence. Thus a complete entry needs to have an Etymology section to display highly standardized and predictable derivation information. This is a waste of time. DCDuring TALK 13:31, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Changing terminology male > masculine, female > feminine

See also w:Sex and gender distinction. I think we should change the text and move the categories. (Weirdly the parameter is already |gender=.) @Benwing2 —Enosh (talk) 20:18, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Should we not also distinguish grammatical and personal gender? —CodeCat 20:25, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Aren't we already distinguishing between them, the gender in the headword-line is grammatical and in {{given name}} personal, no? —Enosh (talk) 11:11, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Changing the text is easy. Moving the categories is doable but will take a bot. I'll post this to Beer Parlour. Benwing2 (talk) 22:34, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Bug in this template.

As can be seen in Andrei, adding an etymological category overwrites the supercategory, so Given Names Derived From Greek don't get filed in Given Names. Korn [kʰũːɘ̃n] (talk) 20:48, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't quite understand, can you explain which categories should be present that aren't present? Benwing2 (talk) 21:00, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Well, basically all of them: 1. Category:Romanian_names 2. Category:Romanian_given_names 3. Category:Romanian_male_given_names. Korn [kʰũːɘ̃n] (talk) 20:26, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

bug

"from" parameter doesn't work properly.--Calak (talk) 13:42, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

Re: A= parameter

What is the point of this parameter?

The only thing I see it used for is to make the initial "A" lowercase. If lowercase is the preferred style, why isn't it the Template's default? If lowercase is not the preferred style, why does the Template allow it? Isn't uniformity of formatting one of the main points of templates?--98.110.34.122 05:08, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Missing nodot

Every template that insists on doing its own punctuation needs an escape hatch. — LlywelynII 16:00, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

@LlywelynII This template doesn't add a final period. Benwing2 (talk) 03:34, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

dim= without specifying the base name

@Fytcha You pinged me about being able to indicate a diminutive name without specifying what it's a diminutive of. Having |dim= with a blank param won't work so well for this purpose but we can use a syntax like |dim=+ or |dim=1 or something. Benwing2 (talk) 03:33, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

@Benwing2: That also works for me, though it may be harder to remember. |dim=? would also be worth consideration or simply anything that only consists of numbers and (ASCII) symbols. — Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 22:06, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Need more parameters?

At Pollyanna, I saw this usage:

{{given name|en|female|from=Hebrew}} derived from {{l|en|[[Polly]] and [[Anna]]}}; rare in the real world.

which gives

A female given name from Hebrew derived from Polly and Anna; rare in the real world.

Not to sure how to express this with the current parameters. JWBTH (talk) 10:19, 11 July 2023 (UTC)