Talk:zelfbewust

@Mnemosientje, I think "confident, self-confident" would be better translations, especially because self-conscious is now more likely to be read as the definitions 2 & 3. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 10:46, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Tbh, definitions 2&3 of self-conscious are pretty much how I use zelfbewust as well, although self-confident is of course another possible translation. — Mnemosientje (t · c) 10:57, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

@Mnemosientje Wait, really? I don't think I have come across this in any senses other than the ones in the WNT (1994). ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 12:56, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Idk, it definitely has the same connotations to me as the English term as well to me, although the sense "self-confident" is one I am also aware of. Have a look at Google Books, I think some examples there kinda support what I'm saying. I have probably said IRL that I am "altijd erg zelfbewust als ik een presentatie probeer te geven of voor een groot publiek sta" and then I definitely don't mean the sense "self-confident". Might be some sort of anglicism on my part, but my peers also use it this way. Then again my peer group is heavily anglicized (late-millennial humanities students and YUPs/YUCs in Amsterdam). — Mnemosientje (t · c)

Just realized that pretty much makes this word a contranym. — Mnemosientje (t · c) 13:21, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Looked around some more and especially queries of "te zelfbewust" on e.g. Google Groups yield a lot of contradictory results, still skewed more in favour of the "self-confident" meaning though. — Mnemosientje (t · c) 13:30, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

I think this is a clear use of that sense, but most of the other BGC results were "confident" or unclear. It does seem as if the sense "self-aware" is getting blurrier in some of the later hits (this for instance could easily be both). So it seems like this meaning is becoming more common and may well be citable already. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 14:52, 1 November 2019 (UTC)