Talk:sungsong

Etymology

@Ysrael214 Is this part from you or from a source? "The attribution to China is presumably connected with sailing problems in reaching mainland China from the Philippines.". Mar vin kaiser (talk) 13:52, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser Even that is part of ACD's comments. The source is ACD's *suŋsuŋ entry (attached as reference). Ysrael214 (talk) 14:34, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser @Mlgc1998 Is it possible that if lusong is possibly from (落山, lo̍h-soaⁿ, descend a mountain), then it makes sense that the opposite sungsong would be like from (上山, chiūⁿ-soaⁿ, climb a mountain)? Though of course, this is just a hypothesis. Ysrael214 (talk) 06:03, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

@Ysrael214 The Tagalog lusong (“descent to a lower place”) being from Hokkien 落山 (lo̍h-soaⁿ, “to descend from a mountain”) hypothesis by Manuel (1948) is also one of those weird hypotheses for me. If it were the case, at least based on the current existing Ph Hokkien, I would've expected 落山 (lo̍h-soaⁿ, “to descend from a mountain”) to turn into like "loswa"/"losuwa", but Idk what E. Arsenio Manuel and his informants back then were thinking and hearing. And yeah, at least on the current widespread Ph Hokkien of today, we'd use Hokkien 𬦰山 (peh-soaⁿ, “to climb a mountain”) instead, but since Tagalog sungsong (“act of going against the current or wind (such as when sailing)”) is a very old word, Idk if the old EMH dialect had a different near equivalent word. Maybe the Dictionario Sino Hispanicum has something recorded similar to it. Mlgc1998 (talk) 16:35, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

@Ysrael214: For me, I don't think 落山 (lo̍h-soaⁿ) is the origin of "lusong", because the nasal won't become an "ng" sound in Tagalog, at least based on other Tagalog loanwords from Chinese. Also, at least colloquially, to say "climb a mountain", at least for the modern PH Hokkien dialect, we don't say 上山 (chiūⁿ-soaⁿ) but 𬦰山 (peh-soaⁿ). --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 07:21, 16 January 2023 (UTC)