Talk:sol

Help! Why does the numbering restart (1,1,2 instead of 1,2,3)?

I fixed it. The problem was the examples were indented with : instead of #:. Using the latter form stops the numbering from getting restarted afterwards. By the way, it's nice to sign talk pages; you can do that by putting ~~~~ after your message. Ortonmc 23:35, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Tea room discussion

Note: the below discussion was moved from the Wiktionary:Tea room.

Reading about the Phoenix Mars mission, I get the impression that the word sol is bsing used to mean a day but on another planet. E.g. Over the last couple of sols, the Phoenix team made its first test scoop and dig into the Martian surface. Can anyone confirm this? Is it current use, or prologism? -- Algrif 11:13, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

No it's an established word, used for some reason only of Mars. The OED traces it back to the early 70s. I'll stick it in. Widsith 11:23, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks. See you the sol after next. -- Peace -- Spock. (aka Algrif 14:13, 5 June 2008 (UTC))

etymology of sol#Latin

According to recent additions to the etymology of Latin sol, it is cognate with Old English and Old Norse sol. But doesn't Old English have sonne as the native term for the "sun"? I have always understood that sol in Old English and Old Norse was borrowed from Latin, like so many other words. --EncycloPetey 01:08, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

According to “sol” in Ordbog over det danske Sprog Old Norse sunna is a sideform til (lateral form to), which methinks is similar to cognate and sunna and sól (most likely 𐍃𐌰𐌿𐌹𐌻 and 𐍃𐌿𐌽𐌽𐍉 too) have a common predecesser, but do not descend from one another. The uſer hight Bogorm converſation 09:53, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm still suspicious of it, but at least we have a published reference to back up the assertion. --EncycloPetey 03:03, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

misleading templates

Wouldn't have been simpler to instead of complaining about misleading templates to have gone ahead and used - as the second argument of {{etyl}} to suppress adding the category. I would have thought at least one of you three would have recalled how to do that. — Carolina wren discussió 19:20, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, I forgot, not that I remember ever having remembered that. DCDuring TALK 22:39, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

RFD discussion: December 2015–March 2016

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Sol

Local day on another planet. Not capitalized AFAIK. DAVilla 08:36, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

• Delete or possibly use {{misspelling of}}. A few cites show up on Google, but they seem to be miscapitalizations. —Aryamanarora ^{(मुझसे बात करो)} 00:16, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

What's it a misspelling of? Renard Migrant (talk) 13:19, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

sol lowercase. —Aryamanarora ^{(मुझसे बात करो)} 22:19, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Pedantic but that's the same spelling, only the case is different. Renard Migrant (talk) 23:10, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

I wouldn't call it a misspelling. Delete it if it's really rare, tag it an {{alternative case form of}} if it's only moderately rare. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 21:54, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Since it's not a misspelling I would just delete it. Renard Migrant (talk) 21:57, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

• RFD failed. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 20:56, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

RFC discussion: March 2007–November 2009

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sol

There are no less than five distinct words (that is, five different etymologies) in the entry sol, all with only one floating pronuciation section at the top. I've added the pronunciation which applies to the musical term, but does anybody else care to figure out to which of the senses that floating pronunciation applies? -- Beobach972 22:08, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I would add a request for clarification on capitalization. Is the period of time capitalized (as here) or not (as on wp)? May the name of the star (our star) be written in either capitalization? \Mike 20:50, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Pronunciations have been added --Volants 15:23, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

SOL internet meaning

Sh*t Out of Luck 194.207.86.26 00:22, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

See SOL (the adjective). By the way: that's been around a lot longer than the internet. Chuck Entz (talk) 03:40, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

*súh₂l̥

@Victar Intriguing, though considering that loss of laryngeal by far pre-dated vocalisation of syllabic resonants in Latin's history wouldn't that give **sūl? No matter how unusual that *e looks, it seems like Sihler's *súh₂el (> Lat. *sŭŏl > sōl) works better also for explaining the PII form. Catonif (talk) 15:06, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

@Catonif: You're right. I go through this crisis every 2 years it seems. PIE *súh₂ol seems more likely then for the Latin and works fine for the PII as well. --{{victar|talk}} 17:05, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

I updated the etymology and ran with Sihler's work, where he also cites an s-stem to account for the gender change, which makes the most sense. --{{victar|talk}} 05:40, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

@Victar Neat, but the PIt. outcome can't be *swōl, but rather *sūōl ~ *sūeles (or *suōl ~ *sueles, depending on when you date the shortening, on project we date it as post-PIt.) > (Pre-)Lat. *sŭōl ~ *sŭŏlis, which we can see going to sōl ~ sōlis by Sihler's contraction and likely by yet more levelling. I must admit I'm somewhat confused by the refs you kept, should we remove de Vaan's ref since he claims something quite different? (i.e. *séh₂ul > regularly *saul > sporadically sōl. Ideally we should probably mention this theory as well). Also, could you change the Sihler ref to link to the page and section where he provides this explaination (the "s-stem" and gender change, that is)? I can't find it, the index only mentions §88.3c and §294.2 for sol. Catonif (talk) 11:21, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

@Catonif: See the footer on page 84. *uHV- > *(u)wV- is the expected outcome in PIE languages with the loss of laryngeals, so the PIt. would regularly be either *swōl or *suwōl. --{{victar|talk}} 20:49, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

@Victar Oh, I missed the footnote. Thank you. Catonif (talk) 18:05, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Old English gender

@Leasnam, can you tell me why you think B&T is wrong about the gender of Old English sol? -- Sokkjō 09:22, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

That was an initial comment...I no longer hold that opinion. I can see why they assume it to be feminine, but it is still conclusively unknown for sure. Leasnam (talk) 16:18, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

@Sokkjo, once we decide whether siġel comes from Proto-Germanic *su(w)ilaz or *sawil- I'll need to move it to a neuter *su(w)ilą, since the OE (the sole descendant) is neuter. Leasnam (talk) 16:58, 11 April 2024 (UTC)