Talk:no-
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Not a prefix, nor slang as claimed. (And how "no-no" is supposed to fit the definition is anyone's guess.) Equinox ◑ 21:43, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
- Keep, in some form. Remove "slang" label. Mihia (talk) 23:01, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
- It looks to me like the examples are all phrases that are used attributively, with a couple having -er stuck on to the last word as an enclitic (i.e. "[no]+[brain]-->[no-brain]+[-er] / "It [requires] no [use of one's] brain --> "It's a no-brainer"). Either that, or it's a compound. Chuck Entz (talk) 03:18, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
- I think one of the issues with this entry is that the examples are a bit of a ragbag of different things. I guess the most common "no-" words are compound modifiers such as in "no-fault divorce" or "no-nonsense approach". To the extent that these are comparable to "low-margin business" or "wide-field camera", it may be seen as a regular feature of the English language rather than a true prefix. On the other hand, there are also the cases like "no-show", "no-ball", "no-op", "no-trumps", which are different in that they are not (only) modifiers, albeit there may be a question about how productive this usage is. "no-brainer" may be different again since there is no such thing as a "brainer" in a relevant sense. "no-no" is obviously misplaced. Mihia (talk) 13:00, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
- I shouldn't have said "all", since [[no-no] is probably reduplication of no. "no-ball" are poor examples, because they aren't always hyphenated. As for the others, there's some kind of reduction going on in many of these phrases. In modifier phrases, inflection seems often to be lost: it's not a
three-pieces suitor adoes-nothing/did-nothingadministration. Perhaps something analogous is happening to not. Chuck Entz (talk) 23:55, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
- I shouldn't have said "all", since [[no-no] is probably reduplication of no. "no-ball" are poor examples, because they aren't always hyphenated. As for the others, there's some kind of reduction going on in many of these phrases. In modifier phrases, inflection seems often to be lost: it's not a
- I think one of the issues with this entry is that the examples are a bit of a ragbag of different things. I guess the most common "no-" words are compound modifiers such as in "no-fault divorce" or "no-nonsense approach". To the extent that these are comparable to "low-margin business" or "wide-field camera", it may be seen as a regular feature of the English language rather than a true prefix. On the other hand, there are also the cases like "no-show", "no-ball", "no-op", "no-trumps", which are different in that they are not (only) modifiers, albeit there may be a question about how productive this usage is. "no-brainer" may be different again since there is no such thing as a "brainer" in a relevant sense. "no-no" is obviously misplaced. Mihia (talk) 13:00, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
- Delete per Chuck. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 03:46, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
- Delete. The derived terms need to be moved to the section at no. DonnanZ (talk) 21:36, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
- Delete.
←₰-→Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 09:32, 12 November 2018 (UTC)- Deleted: derived terms moved to no. — SGconlaw (talk) 07:10, 6 March 2019 (UTC)