Talk:ngỗng

Sino-Vietnamese

How can this not be Sino-Vietnamese when all databases say it is derived from 鵝? 71.66.97.228 05:55, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Because of confusion of Sino-Vietnamese readings and the native equivalents of the Chinese words (which is common in Han-Viet dictionaries; Some of my S-V dictionaries even have "người" as a reading of 人). For 鵝, Hán Nôm Research Institute gives "nga" as reading. This is the true Sino-Vietnamese readings, as 鵝 only had the rhyme -a in Chinese, never -Vŋ. In contrast, Bảng tra chữ Nôm gives "ngỗng". This is the Chữ Nôm reading, not S-V. ngỗng is the native equivalent of 鵝 [nga]; other Chữ Nôms for ngỗng (𪃍 𪄌 𤞒) are apparently Vietnamese-only, showing that ngỗng is considered as such. Hbrug 06:35, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

This seems very logical and should be made clear at Wiktionary, even if all the other databases and dictionaries are wrong. But you say that the Mon-Khmer ngỗng has some kind of common origin with several ancestral language families? 71.66.97.228 07:27, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

I believe that's the case, on the grounds that the evidence is so convincing that if I had access to data in more languages, I might even be able to reconstruct the earliest word form. Hbrug 09:37, 31 October 2011 (UTC)