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Latest comment: 7 months ago by Urszag in topic RFV discussion: January–April 2024

In the Latin word, should the nullus forms be used? I was taught to not try to use any form and wrap my head around that you cannot use the genitive or ablative with word.

RFV discussion: January–April 2024

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Latin. RFV for claimed plural forms nēminēs, nēminum, nēminibus, nēminēs, nēminibus, nēminēs. Tagged by an IP with the note “for pl. (Compared with dicts and Allen & Greenough, pl. doesn't seem to be ancient.)”, but not listed. Nothing in Brepols Library of Latin Texts. The first page of Google Books results for each form turns up scannos for forms of nomen and some scribal form like nemineʒ which apparently means neminem. This, that and the other (talk) 06:12, 11 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

Verified nēminibus (but not verified as ancient) with a text from 1479. A couple others that are less obvious, including one case in a contemporary Latin poem that I'm not sure counts since I could only find it published online. Not verified nēminēs or nēminum yet, but I expect they can be found.--Urszag (talk) 05:36, 20 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
Verified nēminum. I reworded the note since it does seem a bit misleading to baldly state that these forms "exist, but are rare" when it seems like they are only attested after the point where Latin was nobody's native language.--Urszag (talk) 06:58, 20 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
Verified nēminēs; added with quotation and a note that Classical Latin would use nūllī etc. instead.--Urszag (talk) 01:50, 13 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
Marking as RFV-passed.--Urszag (talk) 02:18, 13 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
Coming back to this one, after closer examination, all of the examples of "neminum" I found seem to have been typos (although not scannos) for "neminem", the accusative singular form. So I'm removing any mention of that as a genitive plural form. In contrast, 'nemines' and 'neminibus' do seem to be supported by at least one genuine, non-typo quotation. I'll re-label this as RFV-resolved and consider the 1-week waiting period to be reset.--Urszag (talk) 21:36, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply