Talk:mallemaroking

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There is no proof that this word actually exist. Google shows sources parroting that it is "said to be derived from Dutch" .. GerardM 09:16, 11 April 2006 (UTC)Reply

It's not likely to be a common word, so I wouldn't expect to see much information on-line. Did you check the sources listed in the Salon article, linked at the bottom of the page? I don't have the Chambers Dictionary, but at least the linked article identifies specific sources. This makes the information verifiable, if not actually verified. --EncycloPetey 09:28, 11 April 2006 (UTC)Reply
I would expect there to be a Dutch source for that word it is alleged to be derived from. GerardM 12:01, 11 April 2006 (UTC)Reply
That only concerns the etymology, not whether the word exists in English. The word can be legit in English, even if the etymology is bad or unknown. There are, after all, many English words for which the etymology is unknown or apocryphal. However, I can check up on the supposed Dutch etymology. I have the MNHW and access to the MHW (sort of), which are the Dutch equivelents to the shorter and full OED, respectively. --EncycloPetey 12:05, 11 April 2006 (UTC)Reply

Support from a 1913 Dutch dictionary

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Here is the information I found in the 1913 Woordenboek der Nederlandsche Taal, Vol. IX:M-NYMPH; bewerkt door A. Kluyver, A. Lodewyckx, J. Heinsius en J.A.N. Knuttel ('s Gravenhage en Leiden: Martinus Nijhoff, A.W. Sijthoff):

MALLEMEROK — daarnaast MALLEMOOIROK —, znw. Deze vormen zijn blijkbaar ontstaan uit malle marok, malle marot (zie MAL (II), en MAROT, dat ook voorkomt als marok). Zottin (ook zot?), malloot. Thans in onbruik. || Vrouw mallemoyrock die is de Bruyt, Wat sal men in de Bruyloft al vreught bedrijven, VISSCHER,Brabb. 183 (zie ook 101). Siet dese Mallemerocken, Siet dese Neskebollen durven met myn dus gecken, en jocken, BREDERO 1, 145. Als my de mallemerocken en vrijsters zien, zoo loopense inde wijnt, 2, 292.
MALLEMEROK — daarnaast MALLEMOOIROK —, noun. These forms appear to have originated from malle marok, malle marot (see MAL (II), en MAROT, which also occurs as marok). Madwoman (also madman?), idiot. Now in disuse. || (quotes)

The entry following this one looks etymologically related (though with a different meaning), so I include it as well. If I understand it correctly, the first definition is for an arctic bird whose sighting signals land nearby, but the text predates the major 20th century Dutch spelling reforms, so I'm having a little trouble, particularly with the second definition:

MALLEMOKMALMOK, en daarnaast MALLEMUG, —, znw. vr. Koppeling van Mal (II) en Mok, zeemeeuw (zie BOEKENOOGEN 1342).
  1. Zekere vogel, o. a. op Groenland (verg. onder Mal (II) de koppel. mallemeeuw. || De naam van Malle-muggen is haer gegeven van de Hollanders, ter oorzaek datze door domme malligheyt haer laten doot slaen.... Hij is de eerste en ook de gemeenste vogel die daer te lande (t. w. op Spitsbergen) gesien word, MARTENS, Beschr. v. Groenl. 32. — Dewijl ik, even als een mallemok, in 't midden Van lucht en water, sweev', V. RUSTING, Klaagged. v. Ovid. 3. Men vind onder de Meeuwen ook zodanige die geheel bont van koleur zijn, en in Groenland Mallemokken genoemt worden, CHOMEL 2015 a.
    — Zonderling is de vorm malmulk. || De keur van malmulk, smite en bergëend ... Dacht voor zo waard een' gast my naauwlyks goed genoeg, V. MERKEN, Nut d. Tegensp. 84 (een Groenlander spreekt).
  2. Ook als benaming voor sommige personen onder de bemanning van een walvischvaarder. || In welker Sloepen ieder, twee mannen zyn, Malmokken genoemt, en zulks om dat ze somtyds...met hunne haaken eenige Malmokke-Meeuwen, die op dit smeerig water aazen, doodslaan, waar van dan Poespas word gekookt, ZORGDRAGER, Groenl. Vissch. 354. Verders krygen insgelyks de Riemgasten, Piekeniers, Malmokken, enz. ieder hunne byzondere Gereedschappen, 346 (zie ook HONIG, Hist. Stud. 2,72).
MALLEMOKMALMOK and also MALLEMUG, noun, feminine, blend of Mal and Mok, seagull (see blabla).
  1. A certain bird, among others on Greenland. mallemeeuw || (quotes)
    — Rare is the form malmulk. || (quotes)
  2. Also as a name for some persons among the crew of a whaler. || (quotes)


I'm going to see if Vildricianus can translate these for us. --EncycloPetey 21:21, 11 April 2006 (UTC)Reply

Done. Or do you want the quotes, too? — Vildricianus 19:23, 17 April 2006 (UTC)Reply
It might be nice to have translations of the quotes for the first entry (above), but I don't think those for the second entry are worth the trouble. --EncycloPetey 05:46, 18 April 2006 (UTC)Reply

Possible synonym mollie

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See Talk:mollie. Equinox 19:59, 3 May 2019 (UTC)Reply