Talk:how
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[edit]The big question for me is--most Indo-European questions words with *kw- because wh- (pronounced w) in English (what, when, why...), 'how' comes from the same source, why is it not pronounced 'wow' and written 'whow'? Tibetologist 08:32, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
- Over the centuries, it went from hwō, to hū, to hwu, hu, hou, and finally how. —Stephen (Talk) 08:51, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
How as conjunction
[edit]It seems to me that the example used, "I remember how to solve the puzzle", is not correct. This is an adverbial use of the word. A conjunction should join words or phrases of equal rank, not, as here, a sentence with an infinitive. A better example would be "I remember how I (used to) solve puzzles".Caeruleancentaur (talk) 19:13, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
- You're right about the example being wrong. I'll change it momentarily.--Kent Dominic (talk) 02:36, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
- The old one worked for "how to get there" (in which way to get there); yours does not ("the manner that get there"?). Equinox ◑ 02:51, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
- Sorry, but you're mistaken. See Oxford for help. "How" works as a conjunction only as however or as: "A reader can shift his attention how he likes." — William Empson
- The old one uses "how" and "to get there" adverbially. --Kent Dominic (talk) 03:16, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
- Btw, it can't even be, "the way in which" - a formulation that becomes a pronoun. --Kent Dominic (talk) 03:22, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Equinox:If you're not yet tired of trolling me, you can troll me properly by undoing or emending my recent edit at Yangcheon District. I've since re-thought how to transliterate the relevant phrases from Hangul (which doesn't have uppercase characters) to English. I haven't yet gotten around to fixing my hasty edit. --Kent Dominic (talk) 03:34, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
- The old one worked for "how to get there" (in which way to get there); yours does not ("the manner that get there"?). Equinox ◑ 02:51, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
- No trolling at all; I merely saw it in Recent Changes and thought it was not an improvement. Please don't be that guy who kept saying I was "hounding" him because I reverted two of his changes out of about 2000. Equinox ◑ 05:04, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
- No harm, no foul. I'm just messing with you with the "trolling" bit. As far as edits go, I don't profess to be perfect but this was one of the times when I was sure I was right. In fact, my certainty stemmed from catching a corresponding error in my own writing. Namely, I had ID'd "how" as a conjunction in this sentence: "You may want to talk about how I became a millionaire." Conjunction? No. Adverb? Strike two. It's a pronoun. Funny, but it changes from a pronoun to an adverb upon substituting "discuss" for "talk about." Words can be temperamental. --Kent Dominic (talk) 06:14, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
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- I'm back to square one thinking the example is a pronoun that stands for "the manner or way that." Merriam-Webster defines one sense of "how" as a conjunction and another as a noun whereas Oxford defines it solely as an adverb. I've ultimately sided with Oxford that how is never a conjunction, but I'm leaving the article as is for someone else to have a go at it. --Kent Dominic (talk) 19:21, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
For what reason or purpose; By what name
[edit]For what reason or purpose; why: How is it that he left early? By what name: How is she called? https://ahdictionary.com/word/search.html?q=how
--Backinstadiums (talk) 13:49, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
as how [Chiefly Midland and Southern U.S.] that; if; whether: He allowed as how it was none of my business. I don't know as how I ought to interfere.
However for me the meanings used in the examples are not the same, namely that vs. if; otherwise, what meaning of allow is used then? --Backinstadiums (talk) 17:11, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
(Idiom) how far "to what distance, extent, or degree": I dind't know how far to believe them