Talk:fresh

Two etymological points: (1) I really doubt the Old English is derived from the Italian, though of course the two are cognates. (2) I'm pretty sure that the "cheeky, impudent" meaning is actually derived from German frech, having been borrowed into American English by German immigrants; the homonymy with the "usual" word "fresh" is a coincidence. Angr 10:04, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

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"Very clean, and trendy looking (of garments, clothes, shoes, accessories)." I have heard of "fresh" meaning "cool, trendy", I think, e.g. "fresh" hip-hop beats. But clothes, and particularly clean ones? Equinox ◑ 20:01, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Deleted. Equinox ◑ 01:37, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

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fresh

Rfv-sense: without salt. A freshwater fish comes from water without salt (granted) but I don't think fresh means "without salt" on its own, does it? Mglovesfun (talk) 21:38, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

The adjective is freshwater or fresh-water, but the noun is fresh water. —Michael Z. 2010-03-09 23:04 z

Also, the first defn "not from storage" is clearly imprecise, but I can't think of a good way to word it. I might tag that one with {{rfc-sense}}. Mglovesfun (talk) 21:43, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

“recently made or prepared?” —Michael Z. 2010-03-09 23:04 z

In Spanish, we talk about "fresh water" generally meaning water suitable for human consumption, may be also implying that's untreated, such as spring water. So this would not exclude just seawater, but also every kind of polluted water, such as algae-rich water. — This unsigned comment was added by Earnz (talk • contribs) at 18:05, 25 June 2010.

Yes, that sense should be removed, and add freshwater to related words. Diego Grez 20:46, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Odd, I would have thought this was in "clearly widespread use". It's true that fresh water is a set phrase, but google books:"the water was fresh" pulls up tons of hits where "fresh" is a predicative adjective meaning "(of water) Being freshwater." —Ruakh_TALK 20:31, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Cited. One of the cites is for "fresh water", because I don't want to deceive our readers — that is the most frequent use — but a glance at the aforementioned Google Books search results should convince you that this could easily be cited exclusively in predicate position. —Ruakh_TALK 20:49, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

RFV passed. —Ruakh_TALK 04:11, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

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fresh

"(computing, of a release package or software installation) Having only the files and settings of a specific release of the software package; without updates or upgrades that were released subsequent to the release of a specific version. A fresh installation of Windows XP has Internet Explorer version 6. QA uses a fresh copy of the old version to test backward-compatibility of new add-ons." I believe that such sentences are merely sense 1 ("Newly produced or obtained"). A fresh copy of a file could just be a new copy one has made; it only so happens that a fresh installation will never include items that were released separately later. Equinox ◑ 00:25, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes, just sense 1. In British English (if it wasn't for Microsoft) we'd probably just say "a new installation" and "a new copy" because "fresh" is less often used with sense 1 on this side of the pond. Dbfirs 22:31, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Failed. — Ungoliant ^(falai) 23:57, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

fresh as a verb

Thomas Malory's Le Morte Darthur (W. Caxton's edition, 1484), Book IX, Capitulum xxxiiij :

Soo whan fire Tristram was departed by the forests syde he alyght & vnlaced his harneis and fresshed his woūd

"So when Sir Tristram was departed by the forest’s side he alighted and unlaced his harness and freshed his wound

Does that verb mean "freshen", "clean", "see", "examine" ? — 2A01:CB08:8913:1900:9559:F642:14CE:766A 19:46, 23 August 2022 (UTC)