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There are 3 meanings in this Czech entry, but the last two need verification. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 07:46, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
The RFV-ed senses:
- (informal) A gypsy (itinerant person), a vagabond.
- (informal) A liar or a thief.
Both senses seem present in “cikán”, in Slovník spisovného jazyka českého (in Czech), 1960–1971, 1989, which, however, is no attesting quotation for WT:ATTEST purposes. In particular, the senses seem to be "tulák, dobrodruh" and "lhář, podvodník, zloděj". Attesting quotations could be sought in google books:"cikán" and “cikán”, in Kartotéka Novočeského lexikálního archivu (in Czech). The latter source of quotations contains various non-literal uses but I do not see ones specifically in the above senses. I seem multiple uses of "cikán" to refer to child, perhaps a loud child. If someone wants to give it a try, they may. User:Jan.Kamenicek or User:Droigheann? --Dan Polansky (talk) 09:21, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
- There can be found examples for the verb cikánit in both senses "to wander from one place to another" and "to lie", but I also failed to find any quotation attesting the senses for the noun cikán. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 09:35, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
- One problem is that wading through the quotations found by the above sources is a lot of work. Many of the quotations are for the literal sense of Gypsy, so it takes a lot of patience to fish for the rrelatively rare figurative senses if they exist. --Dan Polansky (talk) 09:39, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
- I remember that in my youth I occasionally heard a parent tell their child "Ty jsi ale cikán" meaning "a liar", but I doubt it ever appeared in print. --Droigheann (talk) 19:19, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
- RFV failed, then.__Gamren (talk) 17:10, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
- I remember that in my youth I occasionally heard a parent tell their child "Ty jsi ale cikán" meaning "a liar", but I doubt it ever appeared in print. --Droigheann (talk) 19:19, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
- One problem is that wading through the quotations found by the above sources is a lot of work. Many of the quotations are for the literal sense of Gypsy, so it takes a lot of patience to fish for the rrelatively rare figurative senses if they exist. --Dan Polansky (talk) 09:39, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
- There can be found examples for the verb cikánit in both senses "to wander from one place to another" and "to lie", but I also failed to find any quotation attesting the senses for the noun cikán. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 09:35, 18 March 2017 (UTC)