Talk:canicrus
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Latin. For the vowel lengths and inflection as a 1st/2nd-declension adjective. There is no way to regularly derive canicrus, canicra, canicrum from the given etymology (canus (“gray, aged”) + crūs (“leg”)); a compound of these words should instead have a form like canicrūs, canicrūris, or canicrūrus. This is taxonomic Latin, so it could of course be an actual form created by blunder or for other inscrutable reasons, but the only derived term listed is Presbytis hosei canicrus, which does not in fact establish that this is not a third-declension form canicrūs. No other species name shows up on a search of SciName Finder for "canicr". It may take some care to distinguish alleged forms of canicrus from forms and derivatives of cancer such as cancrum. Urszag (talk) 02:24, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- If it helps any, here is the original description of Presbytis canicrus, aka Presbytis hosei canicrus. It does mention grizzled arms and legs. I did a prefix search for "canicr" at the Catalogue of Life and the only two results were this taxon as a species and as a subspecies. All the Google Scholar hits for "canicrus" seem to be about the monkey or about its habitat in Borneo, with nothing for "canicra". The Google books hits for "canicra" seem to be all scannos for "camera" except for a few references to people with "Canicra" as their surnames.
- The "Derived terms" reference to Presbytis hosei canicrus was part of the entry from its creation, so I'm sure that was where @SemperBlotto got this from. This monkey was all over the news at that time because a living population had just been discovered after the species had been long considered extinct. Chuck Entz (talk) 04:32, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you, that is helpful context. I have been looking for evidence of an alternative third-declension declension but there's not much there either--perhaps it would be best to omit declension in this case? There are no Google hits for "canicruris", "canicrurem", "canicrures" and no promising hits for "canicrure", "canicruri". "Cranicruria" is in use in "Nocardia canicruria"/"Jensenia canicruria" (apparently a name of a bacterium), but that should be singular and so I guess that it represents a different word (maybe from "canus" + "crus" + "-ius"?)--Urszag (talk) 04:52, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, it refers to bacteria in the Nocardiaceae, though Wikipedia apparently only has an article on a completely unrelated genus of liverworts (w:Jensenia includes J. carnicruria in its species list, but that's clearly wrong). According to this 1970 journal article, the authors got these to mate with Nocardia erythropolis and thus decided that J. carnicruria is really as synonym for that species. The species J. carnicruria was apparently originally described in 1950 along with the genus, but I haven't been able to find the article online so I have no clue where the name came from. Chuck Entz (talk) 06:33, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- The 1950 paper is viewable here. It doesn't explain the name, however. 98.170.164.88 16:23, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, it refers to bacteria in the Nocardiaceae, though Wikipedia apparently only has an article on a completely unrelated genus of liverworts (w:Jensenia includes J. carnicruria in its species list, but that's clearly wrong). According to this 1970 journal article, the authors got these to mate with Nocardia erythropolis and thus decided that J. carnicruria is really as synonym for that species. The species J. carnicruria was apparently originally described in 1950 along with the genus, but I haven't been able to find the article online so I have no clue where the name came from. Chuck Entz (talk) 06:33, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you, that is helpful context. I have been looking for evidence of an alternative third-declension declension but there's not much there either--perhaps it would be best to omit declension in this case? There are no Google hits for "canicruris", "canicrurem", "canicrures" and no promising hits for "canicrure", "canicruri". "Cranicruria" is in use in "Nocardia canicruria"/"Jensenia canicruria" (apparently a name of a bacterium), but that should be singular and so I guess that it represents a different word (maybe from "canus" + "crus" + "-ius"?)--Urszag (talk) 04:52, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- Is there any evidence whatsoever that this term finds use in non-taxonomic Latin? DCDuring (talk) 19:03, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- RFV failed; gone uncited for more than a month. Removed entry for the putative Latin lemma; the specific name is now cited under a Translingual header.--Urszag (talk) 03:21, 27 January 2023 (UTC)