Talk:boson

RFV discussion: July–November 2019

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Ugh, Latin boson, neuter or not?

(Notifying Metaknowledge, Fay Freak, Brutal Russian, JohnC5): I don't even know if this is a real New Latin word or not, and the headword and conjugation disagree on whether it's neuter. I searched for occurrences of "bosonem" but this isn't helpful because there appears to be a name whose accusative is "Bosonem", used in a religious context. Benwing2 (talk) 18:52, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

@Lambiam Benwing2 (talk) 18:52, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Also prōton, neutron. The Latin Wikipedia says prōton is masculine. Who knows if these terms are actually attested, though. Benwing2 (talk) 19:28, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Boson is also seen to be masculine in the Latin Wikipedia, in the article Gluon (“boson qui vim fortem mediatur”). Obviously, all these particles have the same -on ending and should have the same gender and declension (which is the third declension on the Latin Wikipedia). Based on their etymologies, it would be reasonable to expect the neuter gender for the first ons to be named, electron (from ἤλεκτρ(ον) +‎ (ἰ)όν) and proton (from πρῶτον) (and indeed they are neuter in modern Greek, but with the ending -όνιο). But Norstedts svensk-latinska ordbok lists these words as masculine (again according to the Latin Wikipedia).  --Lambiam 19:58, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

@Lambiam@Benwing2@Fay Freak Is there actually such a declension pattern as NOM.SG. short -on/oblique -ōn? I'm aware of the opposite, esp. in Medieval Latin, but a short -on to me absolutely presupposes the o-stem declension. Brutal Russian (talk) 20:49, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

If only Lucretius had written about the topic; then we could tell from the metre. I don’t know if we should expect any of the old rules concerning vowel length to apply to Subatomic Latin.  --Lambiam 22:04, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

• RFV deleted. Now we don't have to worry about the gender. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 19:40, 28 November 2019 (UTC)