Talk:azure
Add topicLatest comment: 6 months ago by -sche in topic Pronunciation
Pronunciation
[edit]The pronunciation is wrong for azure
- In what way? Both of the listed pronunciations (as well as several more) are listed in the Cambridge Pronunciation Dictionary. --EncycloPetey 19:55, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
- The audio file has an incorrect /əˈʒʊr/ pronunciation. I have removed it. Nohat 23:49, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
- I've restored the pronunciation as it is one of the correct pronunciations. Perhaps you can record the other? - Amgine/talk 02:38, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
- The audio file is an incorrect pronunciation. There is no orthoepic authority for it. I have removed it, again. Nohat 04:18, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
- I agree. The stress in the audio file would be acceptable for a UK pronunciation, but it's a US speaker using a west-coast accent, so that audio file should not be linked. --EncycloPetey 02:47, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
- I've never heard this stress, even in the UK. Are there regions where it is used? The stress is normally on the first syllable, with possibly a secondary stress. Can anyone re-record the audio? Dbfirs 13:26, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
By the way, the discussion in this talk section is referring to https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/En-us-azure.ogg, uploaded on March 2007, which clearly and incorrectly stresses the second syllable instead of the first. I've removed references to the file from multiple places but there are still some lingering references. We could either delete the file or replace it with a new revision. Anyone care to have their voice be heard on the Internet or go through the formal deletion process? --Makkachin (talk) 13:29, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
- Much later, this was discussed at Wiktionary:Tea_room/2022/February#azure_pronunciation_issue, after which the various common second-syllable-stress / rhyming-with-assure pronunciations were readded. - -sche (discuss) 18:45, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
- I've heard there are some issues with Crystal, so I'm not adding this to the entry, but FWIW regarding the Early Modern pronunciation:
- 2016, David Crystal, The Oxford Dictionary of Original Shakespearean Pronunciation, page 38:
- azure adj ˈazəɹ
- 2008, Richard Hogg, David Denison, A History of the English Language, page 93:
- […] in the 1780s; Nares notes […] [ʒ] not only in expected evasion, azure, but also in roseate. Modern varieties would generally have slightly different patterns: the unpalatalised form is commoner in nauseate, roseate, issue (at least in Britain) and azure.