Talk:any more

Is using an alternative word in an example OK?

This article uses this in an example (anymore, without the space):

"Doc, he's bad shit anymore."

Does this example belong in this article?

--Mortense 18:12, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Is "anything further" another sense that isn't mentioned?

For example: "I couldn't have done any more".

75.36.210.187 14:36, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

"To a greater extent (than)."

Can the alternative spelling anymore be used for the sense "To a greater extent (than)" ("I don't like Braques any more than I like Picasso")? — Ungoliant ^(falai) 18:52, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

No, you can’t play with any more than 14 clubs in your bag

The definition of the third meaning doesn't fit the sentence "No, you can’t play with any more than 14 clubs in your bag" --Backinstadiums (talk) 09:43, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

RFD discussion: June 2019–April 2020

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any more

sense: "Adverb" To a greater extent or in a greater amount (than).

I don't like Braque any more than I like Picasso.

This seems not adverbial and transparent, ie, NISoP. The problem is not well addressed by a definition using {{&lit|any|more}} because we would need a Determiner PoS that just contained {{&lit}}, not a practice that we engage in AFAICT. DCDuring (talk) 14:26, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

I would say that the "to a greater extent" sense, as used in the example sentence, is adverbial. How do you see the "in a greater amount (than)" sense being used? What would be an example? Mihia (talk) 19:32, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Delete as SOP, like "I don't want my coffee any hotter than x degrees". Equinox ◑ 19:31, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

What is the problem with that one sentence?....if people use it keep it. If it is proscribed precise it.

It is sensical to mean "I don't like Braque even a few more than I like Picasso." Is the problem with Picasoo?-

"I don't like Braque even a few more than I like Picasso."

That's what it stands for.

"I don't like Picasso any more than I like Braque(or picasso if you want)."

You can put it as an example.

Deleted - TheDaveRoss 16:54, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

any further

Isn't any further a synonym of the first sense? --Backinstadiums (talk) 18:27, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

determiner

We use any more as a determiner to describe ‘an indefinite quantity of something’. Any more is similar to some more --Backinstadiums (talk) 17:39, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

How best to add its counterpart no more in this entry? maybe in a section "See also"? --Backinstadiums (talk) 15:53, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

A non-negative example

The linguist's holy grail, unsolicited IM text: I just had this conversation:

Equinox: how was your interview?
sim: it was ok :smile:
Equinox: that's shizz tell me moar
sim: I'm a finn, I don't talk much :joy:
Equinox: did you say "here's a REST API, implement it". (how do you hire a fucking programmer any more?)

Equinox ◑ 12:05, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

I don't like Braque any more than I like Picasso.

To me "I don't like Braque any more than I like Picasso" implies I don't like either of them General Vicinity (talk) 20:41, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Is someone saying that it doesn't? Mihia (talk) 18:15, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

I think @Equinox did, up the page. General Vicinity (talk) 18:28, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

So I've added a usage note General Vicinity (talk) 18:35, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

I would say that a statement such as "Alice doesn't like A any more than she likes B" usually, or by default, means that she doesn't like either of them. It needs more of a special case to mean that she likes both. On another point, the first usage note (the pre-existing one) implies that "any more" in "I can’t afford a car any more than you (can)" is not an adverb. It seems to me that it is an adverb. Mihia (talk) 18:56, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Also, the second usage note seems to apply equally to "I can’t afford a car any more than you (can)", which is mentioned in the first usage note. Mihia (talk) 19:06, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

I don't think the implication that both A and B are disliked is true. I like blueberry pie, but I don't like it any more than I like cherry pie, which is my favorite fruit pie.

Any can be used this way with any comparative adverb or adjective I think. DCDuring (talk) 21:00, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

I'm not saying that it cannot mean that both A and B are liked, just that it usually means that they are both disliked, or by default is normally understood this way in the absence of additional information to indicate otherwise. If I just read "I don't like blueberry pie any more than I like cherry pie", with no more information, I naturally assume that the speaker does not like either. Mihia (talk) 22:02, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

On the one hand, such a sentence always has a context, which determines the calibration of like. I think that, in the absence of external context, one's own cognitive/emotional attitude/state determines that calibration.

On the other hand, the usage under discussion seems to be a negative polarity item (like many uses of adverbial any) which shifts the odds of like-calibration to disliking. DCDuring (talk) 14:41, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

@DCDuring: By the way, apropos of my comment above that, contrary to the present usage note, "any more" in "I can’t afford a car any more than you (can)" seems adverbial, on re-perusing the RFD above, I see that you expressed the opinion that it was not adverbial in the apparently equivalent usage "I don't like Braque any more than I like Picasso". Is that still your view, that it is not adverbial? Mihia (talk) 16:59, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Any is adverbial, as is more; the combination is an adverbial phrase headed by more. I think any more in the usage under discussion is SoP. DCDuring (talk) 17:07, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I agree that it is SoP, just saying that it is adverbial. My feeling is that these uses should be put in an "&lit" definition, which is how we standardly treat such things. Mihia (talk) 17:40, 29 December 2021 (UTC)