Talk:abscond

Don't know what these refer to :

• فرار كردن
• دررفتن
• رونشان ندادن

Added by 217.219.221.252 06:37, 5 February 2007 (UTC) HTH HAND —Phil | Talk 13:49, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

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abscond

Rfd-redundant: Isn't "To flee; to withdraw from" the same as "To depart secretly; to hide from; to steal away"? Also, some of the usage examples are not intransitive. —Internoob 01:36, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

It’s not necessarily redundant, but the examples for the first sense seems more appropriate for the second sense. — Ungoliant ^(Falai) 02:03, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

I believe the senses are different enought to create the need for the separate senses.Speednat (talk) 22:06, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

I will RfV this once the RfD is closed unless someone produces some cites before then. I agree with MWOnline and others that only a "to depart secretly and hide oneself" sense is current.

Webster 1913 has intransitive "hide" as sense 1. I don't think that is current either.

There's been a fair amount of wasted effort on translations. DCDuring TALK 23:24, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

There are certainly two senses here. To withdraw as in "withdraw responsibility" is a different sense to run away. Both of these are citable in modern sources. I think there appears to be redundancy only in that definition #1 has conflated these two meanings. I will attempt to separate them out and add quotes. SpinningSpark 14:31, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

The entry is confused. The first thing to do is to divide the cites by whether they are transitive or intransitive. The next thing is to make the definition fit the transitive or intransitive tag.

I have moved a transitive cite to the third sense, which is marked as "obsolete", which I think it is.

The second sense cannot be defined as "withdraw from" and keep its intransitive marker. The sole citation for the current sense uses abscond with from. Substituting the definition leads to "withdraw from from" in the expanded citation, obviously unacceptable. In any event, the sole citation for the second sense would seem easily included in the first sense. The variation in meaning it seems to me is entirely in presence or absence of the prepositional phrases with abscond. Abscond (intransitive) without a prepositional phrase, usually means "flee", though it apparently formerly meant "hide" and may still. If one adds a prepositional phrase headed by from, the from-phrase modifies the meaning by suggesting the place or reason for the fleeing.

I'll have to look at it again to see what more needs to be done. DCDuring TALK 17:07, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Kept for lack of consensus to delete. bd2412 T 20:25, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

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Rfv-sense: To evade, hide from.

The captain absconded his responsibility.

+ one contemporary citation along the same lines.

This feels obsolete or otherwise a mistake, but usage could prove me wrong. DCDuring TALK 17:37, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Passed. — Ungoliant ^(Falai) 11:55, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

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abscond

Sense:

• (intransitive) To withdraw from. [From mid 16th century.]^[2]

Reference:

2. Lesley Brown, editor-in-chief, William R. Trumble and Angus Stevenson, editors (2002), “abscond”, in The Shorter Oxford English Dictionary on Historical Principles, 5th edition, Oxford, New York, N.Y.: Oxford University Press, →ISBN, page 8.

Tagged by DCDuring on 13 August, not listed. J3133 (talk) 07:01, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

How is this in principle distinguishable from sense 1, "to flee"? It seems substitutable in both of the current quotations: "Modern technology accompanies the absconding of the original attitude" → "the flight of the original attitude"; "You cannot abscond from the responsibility both you and your partner owe" → "You cannot flee from the responsibility". —Al-Muqanna المقنع (talk) 13:32, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

RFV Failed, merged into sense 1. The OED only has a single intransitive sense. Ioaxxere (talk) 23:12, 11 February 2023 (UTC)