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RFV discussion: September 2023–January 2024

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Danish. Tagged by IP in 2018 as "Video is English and not Danish; and it looks like dash (– or ―) and not hyphen (cp. "... used to join ... words ... or to ... split at the end of a line"), and might be with spaces: "dash space line line space dash" (– || –)”" but not listed. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:11, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

See also Talk:-//-. I'm pretty sure it could be attested in print, but searching for it is impossible. I only added the video for illustration, not attestation. Two people in the other discussion also reported seeing it. Can we get a "clearly widespread use" ruling on this?__Gamren (talk) 23:18, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

One place I see ditto marks a lot, in any given language, is in old census records. Looking through old Danish census forms on FamilySearch, I've so far spotted — and -}- and " and "| and —"— (which I guess is the same thing as -||-) and do being used to indicate ditto. So, if we decide how this should be notated (—"— vs -||- vs vs —||—), it's citable from census records. - -sche (discuss) 14:18, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

@Gamren, how would you feel about this being made ==Translingual== and moved to —〃—, using dashes and the Unicode codepoint for the iteration mark? (Or possibly —"—, using the ditto mark "?) That is citeable from old census records on FamilySearch. (If modern Danish uses very short horizontal lines that really are more like - than — and very long vertical lines that extend down well below the height of the horizontal lines, really like -||-, I don't know where to cite that.) Here's one Danish cite:

• 1921 (February 1) Danish census, page recording the family of Jens Christen Martensen of Frodebø:

  […] Navn [...] Fødested [...]

  Jens Christen Martensen [...] Frodebø [...]

  Betty Martensen [...] —〃—

FWIW bare 〃 or " and do are more common in the old Danish census records I trawled through, but if we move the entry, I am include to close this RFV as resolved since the IP was disputing the specific characters and I can vouch for having seen —〃— in 3+ records (it's just extremely tedious to relocate them). BTW another ditto mark I spotted while searching for this again was -|, and I saw = being used in some fields while do was used in others so I'm not sure what it was indicating. In general, census records are a good place to find a language's ditto marks and FamilySearch is a convenient free place to find census records. - -sche (discuss) 05:22, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

I have created —〃— and redirected this entry to there. (—, 〃, and —〃— are all in widespread use in old forms.) RFV-resolved? - -sche (discuss) 21:55, 23 January 2024 (UTC)