Talk:UCLA
Add topicLatest comment: 8 years ago by Msh210 in topic UCLA
Deletion discussion
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The sport teams do not merit a different sense IMO; almost all college sports teams are referred to by the name of the school. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 04:29, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
- Delete; the team is the team of the school. bd2412 T 22:05, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. If this were to pass RFD, I'd be tempted to RFV it, because I don't think any uses exist which unambiguously are this sense and can't be interpreted as the first sense. (*"Although the University of California at Los Angeles banned hazing, UCLA continued to practice it." ?) Compare "Germany beat Brazil 7-1". - -sche (discuss) 02:39, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
- I do see the point, though: when you say "UCLA and USC will be playing for the college title at UCLA", you're not saying that two entire universities will be engaged in a sports contest- think of the work required to move all those buildings and people crosstown ;). I don't know where we should draw the line on making metonomy explicit. Chuck Entz (talk) 02:58, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
- I question whether it's even proper metonymy (à la "The White House said...") or just the routine phenomenon that a representative part of a group can be referred to as the group. "[The] Americans won the Fina Cup in Barcelona, Spain." (Not every American; many Americans didn't even compete.) "Wiktionary deleted [[brown leaf]] last year." (Actually, it was only deleted by CodeCat, not by every user working in unison or in sequence.) - -sche (discuss) 19:15, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
- The same goes to every department of the university. For example: "In addition to a highly developed clinical program, UCLA has the distinction of offering an unusually flexible externship". Carol-June Cassidy, Sally F. Goldfarb, Inside the Law Schools: A Guide by Students for Students (1998), page 102. However, this addresses only the law school, not the entire university. This does not require an entry for "the law school of UCLA". bd2412 T 14:22, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
- I question whether it's even proper metonymy (à la "The White House said...") or just the routine phenomenon that a representative part of a group can be referred to as the group. "[The] Americans won the Fina Cup in Barcelona, Spain." (Not every American; many Americans didn't even compete.) "Wiktionary deleted [[brown leaf]] last year." (Actually, it was only deleted by CodeCat, not by every user working in unison or in sequence.) - -sche (discuss) 19:15, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
- I do see the point, though: when you say "UCLA and USC will be playing for the college title at UCLA", you're not saying that two entire universities will be engaged in a sports contest- think of the work required to move all those buildings and people crosstown ;). I don't know where we should draw the line on making metonomy explicit. Chuck Entz (talk) 02:58, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
Deleted. bd2412 T 18:06, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
Subsequent discussion reaffirming this decision is in the RFD discussion that will soon be archived at talk:São Paulo.—msh210℠ (talk) 21:02, 22 December 2015 (UTC)