Talk:H-shaped

RFD discussion: September–November 2017

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H-shaped

1. Shaped like the capital letter H.

--Daniel Carrero (talk) 14:05, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

• Merriam-Webster — This unsigned comment was added by John Cross (talk • contribs).

L-shaped

1. Shaped like the letter L.

--Daniel Carrero (talk) 14:05, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

• Merriam-Webster — This unsigned comment was added by John Cross (talk • contribs).

P-shaped

1. Shaped like the letter P.

--Daniel Carrero (talk) 14:05, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

S-shaped

1. Shaped like the letter S.

--Daniel Carrero (talk) 14:05, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

• Merriam-Webster — This unsigned comment was added by John Cross (talk • contribs).

T-shaped

1. Shaped like the letter T.

--Daniel Carrero (talk) 14:05, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

• Merriam-Webster — This unsigned comment was added by John Cross (talk • contribs).

U-shaped

1. Shaped like the letter U.

--Daniel Carrero (talk) 14:05, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

• Merriam-Webster — This unsigned comment was added by John Cross (talk • contribs).

V-shaped

1. Shaped like the letter V.

--Daniel Carrero (talk) 14:05, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

• Merriam-Webster
• Cambridge — This unsigned comment was added by John Cross (talk • contribs).

W-shaped

1. Shaped like the letter W.

--Daniel Carrero (talk) 14:05, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

• Merriam-Webster — This unsigned comment was added by John Cross (talk • contribs).

X-shaped

1. Shaped like the letter X.

--Daniel Carrero (talk) 14:05, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

Y-shaped

1. Shaped like the letter Y.

--Daniel Carrero (talk) 14:05, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

• Merriam-Webster — This unsigned comment was added by John Cross (talk • contribs).

1. Definition amended to refer to the shape of the capital letter Y. John Cross (talk) 06:46, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Z-shaped

1. Shaped like the letter Z.

--Daniel Carrero (talk) 14:05, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

These entries are SOP-shaped (shaped like sums of parts). --Daniel Carrero (talk) 14:05, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

@John Cross, you added those Merriam-Webster links without signing. What's your point? --Daniel Carrero (talk) 22:16, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

Keep all - and update the "related terms" template to include all of them. SemperBlotto (talk) 05:43, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

I think that the fact that another dictionary does include some of the above entries may be relevent in the way people decide to vote. I realise that other factors will also be taken into account. John Cross (talk) 06:46, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

In my own view, we should Keep all of these entries. I created some but not all of these entries. I recognise of course that there is a pattern that these follow in English and that the 'sum of parts' challenge is a difficult one to answer - I will try my best to make the case for inclusion. (1) I note that some other English dictionaries do include terms of this form, I recognise that is not conclusive but I feel that it is persuasive. Note also that Duden a respected German dictionary has "S-för­mig" (S-shaped). http://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/s_foermig John Cross (talk) 06:46, 18 September 2017 (UTC) (2) Y-shaped and H-shaped both refer to the shape of the capital letters and not the lower case letters. In spoken English, "h-shaped" and "H-shaped" would be pronounced the same so there is some additional meaning here. (3) The forms of letters in different font/styles vary so "H-shaped" really means shaped like a capital H in a standard font (e.g. Times New Roma) but disregarding any serifs - that is slightly more than I get from sum of parts. (4) Websters refers to U-shaped in the sense of 'resembling a broad U in cross profile' (emphasis added). The word 'broad' could not be inferred from sum of parts. (5) While the pattern may be predictable to native English speakers, I could imagine a non-native speaker wanting to check that there was not another terms that they should be using in place of "V-shaped" for example. Languanges that don't use the Roman alphabet must presumably have other ways of saying "T-shaped" etc.

John Cross (talk) 06:46, 18 September 2017 (UTC) - corrected. John Cross (talk) 06:55, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

None of your "citations" of the unhyphenated forms are valid. You need to see the actual pages of the book before you use it for a citation. DTLHS (talk) 06:49, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Sorry. I was using the 'QQ' tool and I thought that what I was seeing was the text. John Cross (talk) 07:03, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Keep them all. DonnanZ (talk) 08:43, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

• Keep all, these are clearly words that exist and are useful. bd2412 T 15:08, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, something like L-shaped evokes a a junction of lines at right angles that isn't always obvious in all forms of the letter, and it seems somewhat like a set phrase. On the other hand, in the US you can buy L-brackets in any hardware store, and you can described things as "looking like an L", "in the form of an "L", or even "shaped like an L". Then there's the matter of drawing a line: the "X-shaped" construction is quite productive. Just off the top of my head, I came up with yak-shaped, Cadillac-shaped, liver-shaped, and even Megan-shaped, which seem to all meet CFI. Chuck Entz (talk) 15:57, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Instances of "Megan-shaped" refer to the particular Megan previously introduced in the specific text, not to a general concept of "Megan" as a kind of shape. I suppose even Cadillacs and Yaks are more variable in their angles and profiles (and therefore less imbued with meaning as shapes) then the common L, H, or P. bd2412 T 22:08, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Examples we have in Wiktionary include: bell-shaped, heart-shaped and pear-shaped - I am adding this for context.John Cross (talk) 06:36, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

All the examples I found of this form:

• banana-shaped
• bell-shaped
• cross-shaped
• egg-shaped
• heart-shaped
• hourglass-shaped
• needle-shaped
• pear-shaped
• rod-shaped
• spindle-shaped

John Cross (talk) 06:50, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

• Keep all the letter ones, because L-shaped doesn't mean "shaped like an l", but only means "shaped like an L". This makes no difference for S-shaped, but once you've got the others, you may as well do the whole alphabet (of attestable ones, of course).-Sonofcawdrey (talk) 08:51, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

• @ User:Sonofcawdrey That doesn't make it any less SOP. L-shaped means "shaped like a capital L" by default. Delete all. PseudoSkull (talk) 13:56, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

• Keep all. Ƿidsiþ 11:58, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
• RFD kept per consensus. --Dan Polansky (talk) 15:43, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

RFD discussion: January–February 2022

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A-shaped, B-shaped … Z-shaped

Delete: all SOPs. —Svārtava ^{[t•c•u•r]} 06:31, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Keep all. This was discussed previously. John Cross (talk) 08:17, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Keep all. Looking at the prior discussion, there were only two delete votes including the proposer, with a strong consensus to keep them. AG202 (talk) 20:09, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

This has been discussed before, see Talk:H-shaped. There's no need to go through this again, keep all. DonnanZ (talk) 07:58, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

• Keep all, these are clearly words that exist and are useful. Vote copied from the previous discussion for consistency. bd2412 T 17:48, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
• Delete. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 13:34, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
• Keep all. I hear these more than ever recently. AntisocialRyan (talk) 02:31, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
• Delete. WT:SOP: Idiomaticity rules apply to hyphenated compounds in the same way as to spaced phrases. — Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 22:23, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
• Weak keep, at least as translation hubs, based on the non-Latin script examples of Chinese 丁字 for T-shaped and 丫字 (as in 丫字路口) for Y-shaped. I realize that two examples per letter-shape may be needed to support this argument, however, so if no other examples are found then I will retract this vote. 70.172.194.25 23:22, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
  • I figure Cyrillic (e.g., Russian) and Greek could probably be added trivially for a bunch of letters. And it's certainly wrong to "transliterate", for example, Cyrillic Р to Latin P in general; their shape is the same, but in terms of sound the Cyrillic reflects Latin R. It's possible some more Chinese correspondences could exist, but someone more knowledgeable can check (e.g., 乙 for Z, 十 or 乂 for X, 尸 for P; no idea if these are actually used, just random speculation). 70.172.194.25 23:47, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Keep all. --Rishabhbhat (talk) 09:55, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

I would keep all of these. SemperBlotto (talk) 14:30, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

• Keep all in view of the previous discussion. No new reason has been provided to justify reopening that decision. — SGconlaw (talk) 16:17, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Keep all per common sense. Some of these are even useful as synonyms. ·~ dictátor·mundꟾ 22:10, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

RFD-kept. — Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 10:45, 13 February 2022 (UTC)