Talk:Elmer Fudd
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Another cartoon character to delete. --Keene 10:36, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
- Keep per above. Kappa 11:43, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
- Keep, plenty of attributive uses to be found. bd2412 T 14:17, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
- Michael Busby, Learn Google (2003), p. 168:
- Since the web page information is still in English, I did not show any search results. But, as you can see, Google text messages are in Elmer Fudd.
- Given our utter failure to reach a consensus on what attributive use is (and my utter failure to find three cites for BD2412's linguistic sense above), and given the lack of consensus to delete, I have moved to ===Proper noun=== sense to an appendix subpage, Appendix:Fictional characters/Template:fictional, and replaced it with an adjective sense. -- Visviva 18:18, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Scraping for another adjective sense
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# Resembling Elmer Fudd in behavior, befuddled.
- 2003, Kara Swisher, There Must Be a Pony in Here Somewhere: The AOL Time Warner Debacle and the Quest for a Digital Future [1], →ISBN, page 34:
- "Steve had an Elmer Fudd expression on his face," Kimsey recalled, in a demeaning quote he delighted in repeating frequently over the years.
- 2005, Patrick Astre, The Artifact[2], page 75:
- The man had an easy down-home way of talking and an Elmer Fudd appearance that belied a sharp mind.
Can't find a third cite. We should probably have the generic noun sense, though. -- Visviva 18:18, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
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Trademark; specific cartoon character with a distinctive voice (what an odd definition). Needs to meet WT:BRAND. Equinox ◑ 13:12, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
- Cited since January 1. I agree that the (much older) definition could be improved, though. --Daniel 13:31, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
- "I sometimes think of T. S. Eliot as Elmer Fudd." This is hardly a citation for a dictionary term. It's just mentioning the specific cartoon character. I feel that way about most or all of the citations. Equinox ◑ 01:08, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
- Struck. Move to RFD if desired. - -sche (discuss) 01:45, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
RFV 2012
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Tagged in August 2011, but not listed (nothing on the talk page). If this passes, presumably WT:FICTION, it should be moved to RFD as it's not a word or an idiom in any language. I don't see why we should include this, but exclude John F. Kennedy for not being fictional. Mglovesfun (talk) 22:55, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
- Previous discussion: Wiktionary:Requests for verification archive/2011#Elmer_Fudd. Basically, it's been cited for a long time (since before the previous RFV, in fact)... if you dispute that the citations meet BRAND or FICTION, RFD it. - -sche (discuss) 02:38, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
- Right sorry, has been listed. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:16, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
- Yep, and I forgot to detag it afterwards, so, I'm also sorry. On to RFD, now... - -sche (discuss) 18:56, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
- Right sorry, has been listed. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:16, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
RFD 2012
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Not a word or an idiom in any language. I see no reason to include this but not John F. Kennedy simply because John F. Kennedy isn't fictional. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:17, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
Delete. Ungoliant MMDCCLXIV 16:45, 23 March 2012 (UTC)- Delete: specific fictional characters are something for Wikipedia. Equinox ◑ 16:48, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
- Delete. - -sche (discuss) 20:39, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
- Weak keep, as it is an element in Elmer Fudd syndrome, a term published in Science Digest as used by child psychiatrist Dennis Cantwell for the speech impediment for which the character is known. --EncycloPetey (talk) 04:15, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
- I disagree that the existence of Elmer Fudd syndrome makes Elmer Fudd necessary. This could simply be explained in its etymology section and link to the character's Wikipedia page. Ungoliant MMDCCLXIV 18:33, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
- When we had a standard for proper nouns, our previous ploicy has been that attributive use was enough to warrant an entry. We no longer have that requirement, but the principle of attributive use was not eliminated with the requirement. --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:21, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
- I did some research and found out you are right. I found things like "Elmer Fudd (hunting) hat", "Elmer Fudd affectation", "Elmer Fudd voice", "Elmer Fudd fit", "Elmer Fudd dialect", "Elmer Fudd grin", etc.. This was enough to convince me to change my vote to keep. Ungoliant MMDCCLXIV 18:38, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
- When we had a standard for proper nouns, our previous ploicy has been that attributive use was enough to warrant an entry. We no longer have that requirement, but the principle of attributive use was not eliminated with the requirement. --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:21, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
- I disagree that the existence of Elmer Fudd syndrome makes Elmer Fudd necessary. This could simply be explained in its etymology section and link to the character's Wikipedia page. Ungoliant MMDCCLXIV 18:33, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
- Strong keep per metaphorical use. DAVilla 18:37, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
- Kept. — Ungoliant (Falai) 03:34, 14 August 2012 (UTC)