Talk:Budimerus
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Latin. All of the contributions of this anon seem pretty shady to me, or at least under wrong title. @Metaknowledge, could you take a gander? —JohnC5
- Also everything under Special:Contributions/89.172.170.90. —JohnC5 04:57, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
- These all seem to be medieval Latin renderings of Serbo-Croatian names, and particularly of medieval Croatian/Pannonian rulers. Many of them could definitely be attested (at least from quotes in secondary sources), but some are plainly erroneous (“Muucimir” is just a misreading of Muncimir). — Vorziblix (talk · contribs) 07:57, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
- Affected Latin entries:
- Domosol, Muntimer, Muucimir (Muncimir?), Suinnimir, Zuonimir -- all of these require a clean-up (nominative with no -us as in the header or with -us as in the inflection section?)
- Budimero, Sunimiro, Uuonomiro, Uuonomyro, Wonomyro -- all of these require a clean-up (nominative with -o as in the header or no -o as in the inflection section?)
- Svanimerus, Svannimerus, Tamislaus, Tamisclaus, Terpimerus, Tripimirus, Yllicus
- Additionally all these entries might miss a label like
{{lb|la|Medieval Latin}},{{lb|la|New Latin}}or{{lb|la|Medieval Latin|New Latin}}. - As headers and inflection do not fit:
- The names ending in -o could be nominatives or be inflected forms, e.g. Budimero as nominative or as dative/ablative of Budimerus (gen. Budimeri) or maybe of Budimer (gen. Budimeri).
- Names ending with mer or mir could have any of the following declensions: a) indeclinable, b) 3rd declension wih gen in -is, c) 2nd declension with gen. in -i and maybe with dropping of e in mer or i in mir similar to e.g. Maeander, gen. Maeandri.
- As for vowel length as inflection templates add macra on the ending:
dunno. Maybe after comparing Slave names lengths can be assumed. But before comparison is done, it could be better to give everything without macra. - As for specific names:
- Muntimerus (Muncimirus) does exist. Muncimir could barely exist (there appears to be a document from 892 (DCCCXCII) containing this name, and two other usages which might relate to that document). Muntimer might be wrong (correct inflection table, but entry and head missing -us). Muntimirus, Muncimerus could exist too, but that's another thing.
By the way: Muntimerus was created by 89.172.168.75 who added a few more Slave names in -us. - Budimerus does exist. Created entry Budimero probably just is the dative/ablative of it. Budimer in the inflection section might be wrong.
- Terpimerus could barely exist (the gen. Terpimeri can be found). Tripimirus might be inexistent.
- Muntimerus (Muncimirus) does exist. Muncimir could barely exist (there appears to be a document from 892 (DCCCXCII) containing this name, and two other usages which might relate to that document). Muntimer might be wrong (correct inflection table, but entry and head missing -us). Muntimirus, Muncimerus could exist too, but that's another thing.
- -84.161.43.2 12:07, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
- @Metaknowledge, Fay Freak, Brutal Russian, JohnC5, Lambiam Could you help attest some of these? I looked for Domosol and its variant Domosolus and couldn't find any hits outside of Wiktionary. Benwing2 (talk) 19:02, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
- I deleted Muucimir as a misspelling. Benwing2 (talk) 19:54, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
- If it helps any, these look like the work of BrunoMed (talk • contribs • global account info • deleted contribs • nuke • abuse filter log • page moves • block • block log • active blocks), who was blocked several times for mass-adding entries via scripts from word lists that they obviously hadn't checked. Look for repetition of the same wording in multiple entries, even when it doesn't make sense. Chuck Entz (talk) 21:41, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
- @Chuck Entz Thanks. I think that Domosol comes from this list: [1] The text is in Croatian so I'm not really sure what it says but it's pretty questionable as an attestation so I'm going to delete it. Benwing2 (talk) 18:12, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
- If it helps any, these look like the work of BrunoMed (talk • contribs • global account info • deleted contribs • nuke • abuse filter log • page moves • block • block log • active blocks), who was blocked several times for mass-adding entries via scripts from word lists that they obviously hadn't checked. Look for repetition of the same wording in multiple entries, even when it doesn't make sense. Chuck Entz (talk) 21:41, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
- I deleted Muucimir as a misspelling. Benwing2 (talk) 19:54, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
- @Metaknowledge, Fay Freak, Brutal Russian, JohnC5, Lambiam Could you help attest some of these? I looked for Domosol and its variant Domosolus and couldn't find any hits outside of Wiktionary. Benwing2 (talk) 19:02, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
- All RFV-deleted, including by 89.172.168.75, except for Budimerus, Muntimerus, Terpimerus. Full list of deletions: Muisclavus, Oyslavus, Ratimarus, Surigna, Sedesclavus, Mislauus, Miroslaus, Liudewitus, Tirpimirus, Yllicus, Tripimirus, Tamisclaus, Tamislaus, Svannimerus, Svanimerus, Sunimiro, Zuonimir, Suinnimir, Muntimer. Muncimir apparently never had a Latin entry. — SURJECTION / T / C / L / 15:33, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
- I added a citation each for the three undeleted lemmas, though with the hitch that they are all 17th/18th-century sources and so not Medieval Latin as such (albeit not something I think needs fussing over). —Al-Muqanna المقنع (talk) 16:10, 31 December 2022 (UTC)