Talk:Adenia
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@Fay Freak, another plant name you might be able to help with. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 19:53, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Metaknowledge Though Adenia venenata of Forsskål is apparently not actually a species of Adenium, as the name Adenia venenata has been used ever since for an Adenia plant from Nigeria to Yemen and Tanzania, it seems that عَدَن (ʕadan) is actually Adenium. Only Freytag ex Forsskål and Kazimirski ex Freytag and this Qatari site obviously after Forsskål give عَدَن (ʕadan) as Adenia. Google Books and the web give no results else for
"Adenia" "عدن"but for"Adenium" "عدن"and"نبات" "عدن"showing that عَدَن (ʕadan) is Adenium. According to the CRC World Dictionary of Plant Names both the type species of Adenia and of Adenium have been collected 1763 and the same “vernacular name“ “Aden” is given. All because of Forsskål: He called the Adenium obesum Nerium obesum and gave for it and Adenia venenata the vernacular names عَدَن (ʕadan) and عَذَن (ʕaḏan). Who knows what happened. An informant might have confused the plants and now we have the misnamed genus Adenia. Fay Freak (talk) 21:41, 19 June 2019 (UTC)- @Fay Freak: Thanks for your research on this rather confusing historical tangle... would you mind summarising this for the etymology sections on this entry and Adenium? —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 22:19, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
- Currently one cannot even find on the internet an Arabic name of Adenia apart from the ever repeating Forsskål copy. That list on the Qatari website occurs in a legislative proposal from 2002 about threatened plant – up on Bahrain and the KSA. This document about Wild Plants from Yemen mentions Adenia p. 49 but not under Forsskål’s name but some other name which is however corrupt. Then there is this prescriptivist which suggests to call Adenia not أَدَنِيّة (ʔadaniyya), a transcription of the botanical name, but عَدَنِيّة (ʕadaniyya) in order to “Arabicize”, which suggests that a name is not known. Else the Arabic internet is empty of this plant. Fay Freak (talk) 04:16, 20 June 2019 (UTC)