Talk:서사시

@Karaeng Matoaya, B2V22BHARAT: @Karaeng Matoaya, 서사시 (seosasi) and the Japanese cognate (or source?) 叙事詩(じょじし) (jojishi) are equivalents of the English term epic or epos. You can always add additional qualifiers but that's what dictionaries say (Naver, Daum). What's the point of removing? --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 09:05, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

@Atitarev 叙事詩 was coined as part of translating Hegel's (and indirectly Aristotle's) tripartite division of all poetry into the epic, lyric, and dramatic modes. Thus the East Asian classification of poetry as 서사시, 서정시, and 극시 corresponds directly to Hegel's three types of poetry.

Hegel's definition of "epic" was not directly equivalent to the popular English conception of epic, however—for obvious reasons, since there is narrative poetry that does not involve gods or heroes. You can read more about Hegel's ideas WRT poetry here, but the center of his conception of the epic is not the legendary or supernatural but the actions of "free human beings in the context of a world of circumstances and events". Human behavior in the face of a narrative, that is.

Korean academia has inherited this conception of the epic, and accordingly all poems with a narrative are conceived of as 서사시 (as seen in the citations provided). So while the "epic" translation isn't wrong, it's not directly equivalent to the popular English-language conception of the word.

I think you could (should?) add epic poetry as a secondary definition, but the "narrative poetry" definition should stay.--Karaeng Matoaya (talk) 09:37, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

@Karaeng Matoaya Too complicated. You can just add the epic or epic poetry in the second definition, then.. B2V22BHARAT (talk) 09:41, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

@Karaeng Matoaya, B2V22BHARAT: That's what I meant. Add all missing definitions, especially the best ones but leave the ones that are still valid. Korean is not unique in this. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 09:57, 24 October 2020 (UTC)