Talk:보람

RFD discussion: August 2021–June 2022

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보람

Korean given names should not have entries.--Tibidibi (talk) 11:10, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Why not? We have entries for given names in all sorts of languages. —Mahāgaja · talk 11:18, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

@Mahagaja For the same reason there are no entries for Chinese given names, and Category:Mandarin given names was deleted. Koreans do not have culturally common names like John or Muhammad. Any Sino-Korean character (with meanings that aren't actively offensive, like "feces" or such) can be combined to form names.--Tibidibi (talk) 11:28, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Actually, not just Sino-Korean. There are names like 새봄 (e.g., 윤새봄), which consists of 새 (new) and 봄 (spring), both of which are of native Korean origin. --114.181.192.77 07:08, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

I'll weigh in to say keep.

Arguably, any string of Latin characters can be combined to form a "given name" for those languages that use the Latin alphabet. Consider Dweezil or Khaleesi or Adream or Daleyza or Chubi. None of these is culturally common (at least, not in the US, as far as I'm aware).

Lexicographically, given-name entries are useful for helping users identify when a given string might be a name and not a regular word. So long as the string is attestable in use as a given name, I think we should record that. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │^{Tala við mig} 17:28, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

But Korean and Chinese given names aren't words. They can literally be a combination of pretty much any character. ---> Tooironic (talk) 22:09, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

<Abstain, since I don't know Korean and have no data whether this name is common in Korea.> No, keep, since the Wikipedia article says it was quite popular in Korea around 1990. [1] This website tells us that in China, popularity of given names concentrates on certain favorites, male and female names are usually different, and fashions change like in western world. Entries for the most popular Chinese names would be useful to help identify common character combinations as names, particularly if they have no other meaning. Naturally all Chinese or Korean given names could not be included. --Makaokalani (talk) 02:14, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Weak delete —Suzukaze-c (talk) 06:40, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Weak delete. — TAKASUGI Shinji (talk) 11:04, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

슬기

See above.

Weak delete —Suzukaze-c (talk) 06:40, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Weak delete. — TAKASUGI Shinji (talk) 11:04, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

현우

See above.--Tibidibi (talk) 11:14, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Strong keep for all three. If needed, I'd suggest maybe having a threshold for the "commonness" of names, similar to the discussion going on in Beer Parlour. It's important information to know if a name is male, female, or unisex, and we could add the popularity of it as well as some English entries do. And as a side note, names already have to fulfill the criteria for inclusion, so any random name can't automatically be included. In the same vein, I don't believe that Category:Mandarin given names should have been deleted either and would've voted against its deletion. AG202 (talk) 00:45, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Delete —Suzukaze-c (talk) 06:40, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

(Notifying TAKASUGI Shinji, Atitarev, HappyMidnight, Tibidibi, Quadmix77, Kaepoong, AG202): Any thoughts? Have names or not? I noticed there's gender information so that might be worth recording. Please vote for all three entries, makes it easier for the closing admin to evaluate. — Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 03:52, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

@Fytcha I personally believe we should keep entries for common Korean (and Chinese) names. For comparison, Brazilians and Cubans (among others) are fond of making up given names, but that doesn't mean we don't have entries for Brazilian and Cuban given names. As User:AG202 has pointed out, we have inclusion criteria that should prevent uncommon random names from being included; if this is allowing totally random names to be added, we need to update the inclusion criteria, not throw out the baby with the bathwater (so to speak). Benwing2 (talk) 04:19, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

This is absurd. There are tens of thousands of Chinese characters, with about four thousand in daily use, most of which are used to create given names. The combinations are infinite. ---> Tooironic (talk) 21:25, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Weak delete. Korean names are very free. — TAKASUGI Shinji (talk) 11:04, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

RFD-Kept by no consensus 4-3. AG202 (talk) 00:33, 5 June 2022 (UTC)