Talk:腸粉
Taishanese
[edit]@Suzukaze-c, where did you get this Taishanese pronunciation? I can't find it in Stephen Li's dictionary. I feel like 腸 would need a tone change, just like (Guangzhou) Cantonese. @Chagneling, do you know how this should be pronounced? — justin(r)leung { (t...) | c=› } 23:33, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
- @Justinrleung I take it you saw that 豬腸粉 was listed in Stephen Li's dictionary but not 腸粉 by itself.
- As all Taishanese heritage speakers eventually succumb to, I asked my parents how they pronounced them. It was pretty clear that they pronounced both 豬腸粉 and 腸粉 with a changed tone (i.e. 225 instead of 22) on 腸, contrary to the unchanged tone Stephen Li had for the 腸 in 豬腸粉.
- I know this isn't as reliable as an actual resource, but that's the two cents I've got. Chagneling (talk) 09:50, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
- @Chagneling: Nothing's more reliable than native speakers. Thanks for your reply! — justin(r)leung { (t...) | c=› } 12:49, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
- @Justinrleung: Sorry for late reply. I was reluctant to say it was reliable because I wasn't sure if there were any differences in this regard between the Duanfen dialect and the Taicheng dialect. Chagneling (talk) 05:05, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
- @Chagneling: It should be fine. Duanfen shouldn't be that different from Taicheng. It's the closest we can get to Taicheng for now. — justin(r)leung { (t...) | c=› } 05:29, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
- @Justinrleung: Sorry for late reply. I was reluctant to say it was reliable because I wasn't sure if there were any differences in this regard between the Duanfen dialect and the Taicheng dialect. Chagneling (talk) 05:05, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
- @Chagneling: Nothing's more reliable than native speakers. Thanks for your reply! — justin(r)leung { (t...) | c=› } 12:49, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
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Regarding its reading. This entry was made from Japanese Wikipedia, which uses regular on'yomi ちょうふん.
From Google Books:
- At least one book using some bizarro on'yomi-Mandarin hybrid チョウフェヌ: 死ぬまでに絶対行きたい世界一周食の旅
- At least two books using Cantonese チョンファン (most likely to exist): るるぶ香港・マカオ’14 閩語東山島方言基礎語彙集
Without further evidence, add {{rfp}} and use plain {{head}} instead of {{ja-noun}}.
—Suzukaze-c (talk) 10:45, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
- Looking at the broader web (not just Google Books), the first two non-Wikipedia sites that come up for me at https://www.google.com/search?q=%22腸粉%22+%22は%22 are cooking sites (appropriately enough). The first uses the reading チャンフェン, and the second (scroll down a bit) uses the reading チョンファン.
- Searching for the kanji string plus the readings, I find that the readings in katakana find many more hits -- strongly suggesting that Japanese readers / writers consider this to be a foreign word. My findings:
- google:"腸粉" "チョンファン" — 22,300 hits
- google:"腸粉" "ちょんふぁん" — 32 hits
- google:"腸粉" "チャンフェン" — 1,830 hits
- google:"腸粉" "ちゃんふぇん" — 8 hits
- google:"腸粉" "チョウフェヌ" — 0 on the web, 1 on Google Books
- google:"腸粉" "ちょうふぇぬ" — no hits at all
- HTH! ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 17:47, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
- RFV failed for reading ちょうふん. —Fish bowl (talk) 00:15, 19 April 2022 (UTC)