Talk:肏屄

RFD discussion: January–September 2019

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肏屄, 操逼, 操屄, 肏逼

SoP: 肏 ("to fuck") + 屄 (bī) ("cunt"). @Atitarev. Dokurrat (talk) 06:46, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Keep. I know some Chinese editors don't like inclusion of these vulgarities but they are not too intuitive, IMO, and seem idiomatic. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 00:44, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

@Atitarev: You said that they seem idiomatic. May I ask if you can show us the idiomaticity? Dokurrat (talk) 01:32, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

@Dokurrat: It's idiomatic, especially if you compare with many other "verb + object" Chinese verbs, which are translated into intransitive English verbs:

吃飯／吃饭 (chīfàn, “eat rice = eat”)

開車／开车 (kāichē, “drive car = drive”)

etc. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 04:58, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

@Atitarev: Show us how is 肏屄 different from 肏 + 屄. Dokurrat (talk) 05:12, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

@Dokurrat: 肏屄 is a rude word for to "have sex with a woman", which literally means to "fuck cunt", I have already given examples above. The reason why 吃飯／吃饭 (chīfàn, “eat rice = eat”) is in dictionaries but "肏屄" is not, is because the latter is vulgar. I have already expressed my opinion, no need to ask me again. So far, no consensus to delete. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 05:20, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

@Atitarev: Oh honey, no. Why would you ignore my question? You still did not give anything substantial. Just tell us, how is 肏屄 different from 肏 + 屄? Where's the idiomaticity? Dokurrat (talk) 05:26, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Was "honey" called for? Piss off. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 05:37, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Is it that simple? Dictionaries also don't seem to have 喝水. —Suzukaze-c◇◇ 05:27, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

No change in meaning here, just "drink water", unless you have something else in mind. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 05:37, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

I think that's the point. Dokurrat (talk) 05:41, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

喝水 = drink water, and 肏屄 = fuck cunt = fuck a woman? —Suzukaze-c◇◇ 05:41, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

@Atitarev: May I ask, what's the difference between claiming "肏屄" idiomatically means "to fuck a woman" and claiming "drink water" idiomatically means "to drink colorless liquid"? Dokurrat (talk) 11:26, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

@Dokurrat: I don't know what you mean. I haven't changed my mind about the idiomaticity of the entry but I am withdrawing my support for keeping the entries. So far, it's two against one for deleting, so be it. Delete. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 12:40, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

@Dokurrat, Atitarev: Comment: I think the main argument for idiomaticity is that 屄 is not a woman, so there's some metonymy. I think it can also be interpreted that 肏 has two subtly different senses, just like f***; you could f*** sb (sense 2) or sth (sense 3). However, another argument of idiomaticity is that we often have entries for verb + default object (like 吃飯 and 開車 from above), which is often equivalent to the intransitive in English. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 16:09, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, that’s exactly my point too. These terms are as idiomatic as 吃飯／吃饭 (chīfàn) and 開車／开车 (kāichē). --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 21:26, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

• No consensus. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 03:09, 4 September 2019 (UTC)