Talk:綽爾

Incomplete entry

Why does the Etymology 2 have no definition? Is it a Mongolian musical instrument? 173.88.241.33 02:58, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure what the English translation for 綽爾 should be. The entry gets sorted into Category:Requests for definitions in Chinese entries. (Do you happen to know? A lot of these instruments have a really small presence in Google, and a large amount of the usage of 綽爾 seems to be about the river.) —suzukaze (t・c) 19:44, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Is it the horsehead fiddle (morin khuur)? The Chinese Wikipedia page says 綽爾 is another name for the 馬頭琴. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 02:02, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

It might be an end-blown flute: http://musicology.cn/lectures/lectures_9236.html 173.88.241.33 02:06, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

It may also be used to refer to the morin khuur: http://weibo.com/ttarticle/p/show?id=2309404095006515281401

173.88.241.33 02:07, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

I don't understand this word.

Your first link has the text 绰尔（Tsuur [...]. The most common translation for tsuur in Chinese seems to be 潮爾（笛）／潮尔（笛）, and we have an entry for 潮爾／潮尔 (cháo'ěr), but this entry points to a definition of 朝爾（琴）／朝尔（琴）. So we're missing a "flute" definition somewhere.

What I also don't understand is that the 朝爾／朝尔 (cháo'ěr) entry declares that the Chinese word descended from Mongolian tsuur, which does not seem to be the same as Mongolian morin khuur (and does morin khuur have any relation to the moadin chor I listed at 綽爾#Derived terms?) —suzukaze (t・c) 03:29, 12 May 2017 (UTC)