Talk:無精打采

Hyphen

I'm surprised that both Xiandai Hanyu Cidian and Xiandai Hanyu Guifan Cidian used “wújīng-dǎcǎi” for this word's pinyin. This word, is not splitable; *無精 and *打采 (or *打彩) are not lemmas on their own for the "listless" sense (Yeah, I know 無精 "sperm-free" and 打采 (or 打彩) "to throw money to female actor(s)" are lemmas, but their meanings are unrelated to 無精打采). Why hyphen anyway? Dokurrat (talk) 12:03, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Ha! Yeah, idk. The way I am reading the 正词法 from 2004, I think that sometimes the splitablity you need for a hyphen isn't purely about meaning but instead about how it sounds: "可以分為兩個雙音節來唸的成語的,中間加短横." The 2012 正词法 no longer has the words '來唸的', which may reflect a change. New chengyu: spermfree-throwmoney! --Geographyinitiative (talk) 14:07, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

@Dokurrat, Geographyinitiative: I'm all for hyphens because of 正词法, but we have decided a while back not to follow 正词法 on this, i.e. no hyphens for chengyu. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 14:20, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

What about some kind of notation that says there is a hyphen in this phrase in the Xiandai Hanyu Cidian? I just think it would be a little silly to ignore the opinion they present. If my point about reference to XianHan was specifically brought up in the old debates, could you link to it here? Thanks for your help. --Geographyinitiative (talk) 13:52, 19 February 2018 (UTC)