Talk:得

Pronunciation of sense "Used after a verb to express possibility or capability"

Shouldn't "做不得" be pronounced as "zuò bù dé"? Mteechan (talk) 13:41, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

@Mteechan I think that's nonstandard, at least in Mainland China. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 06:35, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

"Can" and "May"

Though "can" and "may" have great overlap in the meaning, "can" tends to focus on objective potentiality or actuality, while "may" does on expression of subjective possibility. And "得" means objective capability. What do you think,@Justinrleung? Yoshiciv (talk) 03:34, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

@Yoshiciv: may here deals not with possibility here, but with permission (sense 4). — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 03:37, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Non-lawyers tend to see the word "may" and think they have a choice or are excused from complying with some statutory provision or regulation. But it's not. No one can't be arrested with agreement. Yoshiciv (talk) 09:47, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

@Yoshiciv: I'm not familiar with law, so I've changed the translation of the quote to "can", but left "may" there as a possible translation of 得 in other contexts where "may" is not restricted to subjective possibility. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 16:04, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

@Justinrleung: Thank you. --Yoshiciv (talk) 06:23, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

的 as an alt form for de

@Dokurrat I'm pretty sure this is considered incorrect (or at least nonstandard) usage. Do you have any sources to back this up? — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 16:13, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

@Justinrleung: As for sense "Used after a verb or an adjective and before a complement", I added 的 as an alt glyph of 得 per 汉语大字典 "的" (三) sense 8 (excluding citation 望江亭), and 汉语大词典 "的³" sense 4. As for sense "Used after a verb to express possibility or capability", I added 的 as an alt glyph of 得 per citation 望江亭 in 汉语大字典 "的" (三) sense 8, and 汉语大词典 "的³" sense 5. Dokurrat (talk) 06:35, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

@Dokurrat: Alright, thanks for these sources and for adding the note beside the alt forms! — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 07:47, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

@Justinrleung: You're welcome. Dokurrat (talk) 07:52, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Though 的 as adverb marker is grammatically wrong, native Mandarin speaker sometimes forget the distinction. (They were both 的 before. And now backing to write like the old times?) Anyway, these two have same pronunciation, Mandarin learner tends to distinguish unconsciously though.--Yoshiciv (talk) 06:33, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Toneless?

@Wyang, Justinrleung Hi. Could you please help me? Do you have access to 閒人馬大姐? I'm not sure if I should label 表姪女兒 in the corresponding citation as biǎozhínǚr or biǎozhínür. Thanks! Dokurrat (talk) 05:00, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

It is biǎozhínür. Wyang (talk) 05:02, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

@Wyang: Haha, It's not weakly pronounced like some toneless syllables do, which confused me 😄. Dokurrat (talk) 05:07, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

Well, it's certainly not biǎozhínǚr.. Wyang (talk) 05:20, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

I agree... Dokurrat (talk) 05:22, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

Also "known"?

Can this also be translated as "known" in Chinese? 173.88.246.138 13:29, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

得慌

Suffix "dehuang" 得慌 "very, extremely." --Backinstadiums (talk) 00:07, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

teochew 來（得）

林伦伦 李杜诗文在 潮音传千年 来 结构助词，得。如：“伊生来过雅（他长得很漂亮）。”“你呾来着（你说得对）。”杜甫《送长孙九侍御赴武威判官》诗：“骢马新凿蹄，银鞍被来好。”被来好，披得漂亮。《醒世恒言·隋炀帝逸游召谴》：“晋王广为扬州都总管，生来聪明俊雅，仪容秀丽。”唐枢《〈蜀籁〉序二》：“我尝喂一百灵鸟，能学各种鸟声，模仿来活似活像。”这些“来”都用作结构助词，犹“得”，与潮汕话完全一样。 —Fish bowl (talk) 04:35, 14 February 2023 (UTC)