Talk:სააკაშვილი

Do you have a give name სააკ (Saak)? The usual form of Isaac in Georgian is ისააკი (Isaaki). In Armenian it's Սահակ (Sahak). So it may be true that Saakashvili is ethnic Armenian. --Vahag (talk) 15:06, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

He is. btw, no we don't have სააკ, but yes it is related to Abraham and Isaac, whose diminutive names included: saaka and sisaka from which this surname is derived(according to this but the development is still obscure to me).--Dixtosa 15:20, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

@Vahagn Petrosyan How he is ethnic Armenian?, with this logic Russian form of this surname is "Saakov", some surnames are like each other but it doesn't mean that he is Armenian--ჯეო/მიქაელ (talk) 11:52, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Saakashvili is a piece of shit. We don't claim him anymore. You can keep him. --Vahag (talk) 12:00, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

@Vahagn Petrosyan It is not place for your political views, calm down man ;), nobody cares mine and yours policial views--ჯეო/მიქაელ (talk) 15:16, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

We can talk or fight about our political views, but we can't make change in the life of our country with this ;)--ჯეო/მიქაელ (talk) 15:18, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

@Dixtosa აი მაინტერესებს ეს ადამიანი რატოა ადმინი? ვინ აირჩია? ვცდილობ არ ავყვე--ჯეო/მიქაელ (talk) 18:57, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

შეეშვი ეგეთია გაატარე. Keep calm and create entries )). Dixtosa (talk) 19:05, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

ახლა... სად ის და სად შენ. ადმინს იმსახურებს ჩემი აზრით... <-< რატომაც არა? ახლა ისე დიხტოსა მართალია. რა ენიდანაც გინდა იმ ენიდან შეილება იყოს მოსული ქართულად იშლება "სააკა/ის-შვილი" და სადაურია ან საიდან მოეთრია არ უნდა გვაინტერესებდეს აქ მაინც წესით. As for @Vahagn Petrosyan etymology, I checked and სააკ/საჰაკ are both 'existent' in Georgian, as in, in translated proper names. "...მერმე წმიდაჲ საჰაკ და მასტოც შვილისშვილნი გრიგოლისნი..." "...And after Saint Sahak and Mastots, grandsons of Grigol..." From Armenian. "გამოვიდა საჰაკ, ამირა ტფილელი..." "and came out he, Sahak, Amira of Tiflis..." from Arabic, and considering the Georgian change: ჰV -> 0V it's entirely possible that სააკ- was left as a name somewhere (either from Arabic or Armenian), which then developed into "Isaacson" counterpart სააკისშვილი or სააკისძე. If there's Mingrelian სა(ჰ)აკია that could also mean something. I don't actually know what the ა is in these names before -son part though. There's თამაზაშვილი which comes from თამაზ, but then გურამიშვილი which comes from გურამ. -Solarkoid (talk) 20:23, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

@Solarkoid @Dixtosa შეეშვით ტიპიური სეპარატისტია, სააკაშვილმა თქვა ყარაბაღი აზერბაიჯანიო და აენთო მაგაზე :) აბა ეთქვა სომხეთიაო ფეხებსაც დაუკოცნიდნენ და სომხობასაც შეტენიდნენ :)--ჯეო/მიქაელ (talk) 06:56, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

The first Sahak you mention is the Armenian catholicos Sahak of Armenia. The second is Ishaq ibn Isma'il, whose Arabic name was assimilated to Sahak. Acharyan records 178 ethnic Armenian Sahaks from 4th century to the 18th: it was and still is a very popular name in Armenia. I am sure the Georgian was borrowed from Armenian, which does not mean Sahakashvili's ancestor was Armenian. In the borderlands people take each other's names. There are many Sergos and Vanos in Armenia, who are not Georgian. --Vahag (talk) 15:47, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

so if Ishaq assimilated to Sahak, then Sahak was so prominent to have a different name assimilate into it... So we're just lacking proofs, but Sahak should've been popular in Georgian. So we can safely assume, that the name part comes from Armenian, not Arabic. -Solarkoid (talk) 08:37, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

ადმინისტრატორი ამის გამო არ იმსახურებს სტატუსის ჩამორთმევას? რაც პეტროსიანმა გააკეთა (ადმინისტრატორი არ უნდა არღვევდეს ცენზურას და არ უნდა არღვევდეს ეთიკის ნორმებს), მაგრამ რა ვქნათ სეპარატისტია რიგითი, იმედი მაქვს ადრე თუ გვიან მიიღებს პასუხს @Dixtosa--ჯეო/მიქაელ (talk) 13:21, 12 January 2021 (UTC)