Talk:حلیب

Has this ever been used in Urdu?

@ImprovetheArabicUnicode Both dictionaries linked do not have an entry for this word. عُثمان (talk) 03:23, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

@عُثمان yes, it is on Rekhta Dictionary ImprovetheArabicUnicode (talk) 21:47, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

@ImprovetheArabicUnicode OK thank you, I see that now. Since Rekhta is an aggregate source I have changed the reference to describe the page of the dictionary their definition was copied from (still with a link to the Rekhta site). عُثمان (talk) 21:56, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

ok thank you ImprovetheArabicUnicode (talk) 22:22, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @ImprovetheArabicUnicode! I've marked this lemma as nonexistent. I tried finding actual Urdu usage (like quotations to add) for this term, but couldn't find any so unfortunately it doesn't satisfy WT:CFI. نعم البدل (talk) 22:16, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

@نعم البدل Here are two quotations in Urdu verse https://www.google.com/books/edition/%E1%B8%A4ay%C4%81t_i_Karam_%E1%B8%A4usain/gGRIAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%D8%AD%D9%84%DB%8C%D8%A8%D9%88%DA%BA&dq=%D8%AD%D9%84%DB%8C%D8%A8%D9%88%DA%BA&printsec=frontcover https://archive.org/stream/in.ernet.dli.2015.296341/2015.296341.Al-khulbat-Al-ahmadiyah_djvu.txt

The dictionary referenced by Rekhta appears to have included it because of its use in Ghazals. My skepticism proved to be unfounded; no need to echo it. عُثمان (talk) 22:37, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Just as a hint, by far the easiest way to find Hindustani as opposed to Persian or Arabic attestations for nouns is by searching for them with the native plural oblique ending. (Being mindful that this is the same as the Punjabi ablative but usually the context makes it obvious.) عُثمان (talk) 22:40, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

@عُثمان: First link isn't loading, second one is just gibberish. Rekhta doesn't seem to give any usage of it, even though it's recently released an 'examples' feature. Surprised to see you caring about actual usage anyways. نعم البدل (talk) 22:42, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

P.s For the record, it's polite to finish discussing a point before making any further changes :/ نعم البدل (talk) 22:46, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

@نعم البدل I gave you enough information to find more examples on your own. Try searching حلیب کا for uses in the singular oblique. I'm not interested in the bickering or insults; if you recall the we discussed the problem of inflection tables including unattested forms. (And I initiated this discussion.) Literally the only reason I ever come on English Wiktionary is due to concerns related to usage, I really don't care about anything else. عُثمان (talk) 23:04, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

@عُثمان: First of all, I already did attempt to find quotations to add to this lemma, which is something I've been doing recently (like at اشتراک and گورداسپور (gordāspor) and some Punjabi lemmas) and I couldn't find any reliable references, and had even seen those links before you replied with them, which is why I tagged it as unattested, (and which is why I tagged the other user). Second of all, you might want to check your 'references', Google Books isn't 100% reliable. In the second link, the actual term that was used was غلطیاں, not حلیبوں (p.436). Again, you're welcome to contribute wherever you like, despite your differences with me – I'm not here to just argue. نعم البدل (talk) 23:11, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

@نعم البدل OK keep looking until you find an example you're happy with then. It was included in at least one print dictionary for a reason and I am sure you can track one down. عُثمان (talk) 23:18, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

@عُثمان: Sure and if you happen to come across one, be sure to add it to Citations:حلیب, so that it can be added at a later point. نعم البدل (talk) 23:32, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Yep I'll do so if I come across it. The page should have quotes and references, we agree on that عُثمان (talk) 23:37, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

@عُثمان @نعم البدل I am currently learning Arabic, so I came across حليب, which means milk. I have rarely heard the word used in spoken Urdu, but I found it on Rekhta, so I added it on Wiktionary. I know its not used in common Urdu, and probably just poetry, but can't it still be on there. You also recommended citations, and I did add Rekhta. ImprovetheArabicUnicode (talk) 22:01, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

@ImprovetheArabicUnicode: Don't worry. Normally, we know what lemmas are used in a language, but for rare terms (and lemmas in general), we have to ensure that they pass WT:CFI, which requires 3 good citations, which unfortunately I've not able to do as I've not been able to find the term being used in Urdu sources, so I've marked it as non-existent. If you do manage to find any references (in books or journals or anywhere - could be in physical books or e-books), let me know and I'll add the lemma back, with the citations. نعم البدل (talk) 04:23, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Ok thank you. ImprovetheArabicUnicode (talk) 21:01, 28 March 2023 (UTC)