Reconstruction talk:Proto-Uralic/lappɜ

is this correct?

@Panda10 I've just added the ety for lap and both Zaicz and Uralonet say it's supposed to be *lappɜ. The Finnish entry for lape also uses the e spelling however, as well as the Hungarian entry for lapos, possibly others, too, so maybe it is a Wiktionary thing? I don't know, I feel in no way qualified to resolve this. Appreciate if you could look into it, thank you! --178.164.219.98 20:26, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with proto-languages. I usually copy information from Uralonet or other dictionaries. The spelling from ɜ to e was changed by User:Rajkiandris in lapos. He is also the creator of the Reconstruction:Proto-Uralic/lappe entry. Maybe he or someone else can explain the difference. Panda10 (talk) 20:49, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

I'm sorry to interfere but if there is a reference given and we choose to refer to it, we need to faithfully adhere to whatever is given there. I don't think it's an option to refer to a source and then insert something else in Wiktionary. So I suggest we should change it to the way it's given at Uralonet and Zaicz. Of course, we can also notify Rajkiandris as well as leave a comment <!-- like this --> in the page source about the change. Then once we find a valid reference for lappe with e, we can certainly refer to that, too, as an alternative. However, altering and overwriting a referenced piece of information (especially whose source is readily available online for anyone) is just not acceptable, in my opinion. Adam78 (talk) 21:32, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

"if there is a reference given and we choose to refer to it, we need to faithfully adhere to whatever is given there" THIS. Exactly.

Anyway, here's what I've found in the meantime, for what it's worth: this Wiktionary page says "unreconstructible unstressed vowels may be indicated by *ɜ". And Google returns results for both forms in academic works, so I guess there's just no linguistic consensus, and the ety's here on Wiktionary simply reflect this confusion. --178.164.219.98 21:46, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

I added the mention to lape, spelling it *lappe simply because that was where the entry was at. I would agree with moving it to *lappɜ if the source so states. (For the less informed on Finnish, the -e at the end of the Finnish word is most likely a derivational suffix and would not allow for reconstruction of the actual final vowel). — surjection ⟨?⟩ 21:59, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, you are right, *lappɜ is the correct form. — This unsigned comment was added by Rajkiandris (talk • contribs) at 03:17, 18 July 2019‎ (UTC).

Thank you, Surjection! --178.164.219.98 15:36, 18 July 2019 (UTC)