Reconstruction talk:Proto-Northwest Caucasian/š́ʷǝʁǝrǝ́bǝ

Ancient Greek κυπάρισσος ~ Hebrew גֹּפֶר‎ (gōp̄er) ~ Caucasian

Ribes uva-crispa

Cupressus sempervirens

Juniperus communis

@Fay Freak: Hi. What do you think of comparing Proto-North Caucasian *ɢHabrišwi and Ancient Greek κυπάρισσος? See [1] page 70: 26. Gnosandes (talk) 18:58, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

@Gnosandes: Hey. I find the comparison between cypress-cones and gooseberries eagle-eyed. As regards similar use, cypress-cones are not edible unlike pine-cones and spruce-cones but juniper berries (the mature female cones of juniper) are again and are well known to actually have been used; although in turn savin berries are deadly. All would taste pungent. The Greek is deemed pre-Greek because of the shape and the Hebrew pre-Hebrew – {{R:he:Keil-Delitzsch|A1|page=113}} – surely because of the plant’s distribution, together with Iranian borrowings سَرْو (sarw, “cypress”), בְּרוֹשׁ (bərōš, “cypress”), and أَبْهَل (ʔabhal, “savin”), and ܕܦܪܢܐ (dap̄rānā, dep̄rānā, “juniper”) and other borrowed or problematic words in the whole botanic family, so it’s worth a mention – reference template is {{R:cau:Nikolaev:1985}} –; and additionally the similarity of that assumed Proto-North Caucasian form to Proto-Iranian *hampr̥sā (“juniper or savin”) (reconstruction by Morgenstierne) is striking! Maybe we should also draw سَرْو (sarw, “cypress”) to the same family, maybe 𐎄𐎔𐎗𐎐 (dprn). There may be a distortion of the ever same word since the beginning of writing. Gnosandes is on something here, @Vahagn Petrosyan. Fay Freak (talk) 20:01, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

I don't know the sound correspondence laws between these languages to judge. --Vahag (talk) 06:00, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

@Fay Freak: This is quite interesting. I am confused by the Greek comparison because of the Attic form. But it's still close. I think it is possible to add the Proto-Northeast Caucasian *ɢHabrišwV (“gooseberry; thorny bush”), Proto-Lezghian *q:ӏabriš: (“gooseberry”) to the Proto-Iranian *hampr̥sā (“juniper or savin”). Juniper berry and gooseberry are quite similar... Although it is not difficult for me to admit that I have never engaged Iranian languages. And without such knowledge, it will be difficult for me to find any similar cognates. Thank you so much. Gnosandes (talk) 07:59, 1 December 2020 (UTC)