Reconstruction talk:Proto-Indo-Iranian/Wr̥tragʰnás
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@माधवपंडित, do you have any sources for this reconstruction? I want to link the descendants to this page and remove the superfluous information there, but I am not sure how reliable this reconstruction is. Also @Victar. --Vahag (talk) 13:12, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
- @Vahagn Petrosyan: Well most Indo-Iranian sources have not reconstructed proper nouns. For instance
{{R:inc:IAIL}}, page 603 only lists the cognate forms under the entry for "vr̥tra". The exact form "Vṛtraghna" is seen reconstructed in the books "Myth in Indo-European Antiquity" (page 93) and "The Daeva cult in the Gathas". I'm sorry i'm at school so I can't link the two books but you can view it on google books. Formally, vṛtraghná and vərəθraγna fit perfectly. The often mentioned Vedic cognate vṛtrahán is rather related to Avestan vərəθrajan. -- माधवपंडित (talk) 02:36, 19 March 2018 (UTC)- @माधवपंडित, but Lubotsky reconstructs PIIr. *Hurtra-, not wr̥tra-, as you have it here. --Vahag (talk) 12:09, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
- @Vahagn Petrosyan: That's a matter of orthography. He uses "u" to denote what is shown by "w" at English Wiktionary. For instance, his reconstruction of the word "wolf" in PII and PIE respectively are "urka-" for PII and "*uĺ̥kʷo-" for PIE; we have *wŕ̥kas and *wĺ̥kʷos for the same. As for the "H", Lubotsky does give laryngeals in places where others do not reconstruct a laryngeal.
{{R:ine:LIV}}(page 674) does not have an initial laryngeal. -- माधवपंडित (talk) 12:33, 19 March 2018 (UTC)- Looks like there is a dispute on the PIE source of the *(H)urtra. Anyway, the alternative reconstructions can be handled on this page. --Vahag (talk) 14:14, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
- Can confirm, Lubotsky always assumes initial laryngeal. —AryamanA (मुझसे बात करें • योगदान) 02:47, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
- Looks like there is a dispute on the PIE source of the *(H)urtra. Anyway, the alternative reconstructions can be handled on this page. --Vahag (talk) 14:14, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
- @Vahagn Petrosyan: That's a matter of orthography. He uses "u" to denote what is shown by "w" at English Wiktionary. For instance, his reconstruction of the word "wolf" in PII and PIE respectively are "urka-" for PII and "*uĺ̥kʷo-" for PIE; we have *wŕ̥kas and *wĺ̥kʷos for the same. As for the "H", Lubotsky does give laryngeals in places where others do not reconstruct a laryngeal.
- @माधवपंडित, but Lubotsky reconstructs PIIr. *Hurtra-, not wr̥tra-, as you have it here. --Vahag (talk) 12:09, 19 March 2018 (UTC)