Reconstruction talk:Proto-Indo-European/gʰeh₁bʰ-

@Hillcrest98 What is the full grade of this root? And how is Germanic *gebaną explained? —CodeCat 22:35, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

@CodeCat I lack reconstruction experience, especially the vowels (I never have any clue). Also I don't have any reconstruction literature in my possession. - I simply aggregate cognates (that are stated as cognates on the dictionary entries) and wait for others to do the rest. Go ahead and move it somewhere else when it's the wrong reconstruction. (I created this out of a redlink at give. It felt like the wrong construction the whole time, but I don't have the experience to determine a better form.) Hillcrest98 (talk) 22:40, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

It's probably better not to create reconstruction entries then. You can request PIE entries at WT:RE:ine. —CodeCat 23:27, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

@CodeCat Let's clean up my mess instead of me raging about people's opinion of me editing in this namespace. gʰh₁bʰ is an obvious zero grade which can give habeo. Gebana's vowel is too short for eh1. Seems untenable after all. Hillcrest98 (talk) 15:27, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

De Vaan does seem to reconstruct this root, but is also unsure about the placement of the vowel. He gives both possibilities, *gʰeh₁bʰ- and *gʰHebʰ-, but is clearly noncommittal and sticks with giving just the zero grade. *gebaną is not given as related by De Vaan, nor by Kroonen, so I've removed it. —CodeCat 18:31, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Indeed a single vowel problem can disprove connections. Yeah, I don't know of any laryngeal+vowel combination to result in Latin /a/ and a Germanic short /e/ simultaneously. Hillcrest98 (talk) 23:32, 26 March 2016 (UTC)