Reconstruction talk:Proto-Indo-European/úd
Add topicLatest comment: 7 years ago by Barytonesis
@Victar: Ancient Greek ὕδερος (húderos) is said by the LSJ (admittedly not the most reliable source, etymology-wise) to come from ὕδωρ (húdōr, “water”). It seems to make more sense semantically. --Barytonesis (talk) 13:41, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
- Although the etymology at Latin uterus explains the semantic shift. But about the Latin form, how do we explain the devoicing? --Barytonesis (talk) 13:46, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
- From what I've read, that theory, which is actually quite old, has all but been debunked. --Victar (talk) 17:04, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
- @Victar: I defer to you on that. But what about the unexplained devoicing in Latin? --Barytonesis (talk) 17:16, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
- From De Vann: "WH suggest that *uderos may have analogically become *uteros when *udris became *utris, *uter (“leather bag”) phonetically. But according to Hilmarsson 1993: 215, tr can have arisen in the oblique cases where syncope took place in front of a long vowel: *uderī > *udrī > *utrī." --Victar (talk) 17:27, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks! --Barytonesis (talk) 17:41, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
- From De Vann: "WH suggest that *uderos may have analogically become *uteros when *udris became *utris, *uter (“leather bag”) phonetically. But according to Hilmarsson 1993: 215, tr can have arisen in the oblique cases where syncope took place in front of a long vowel: *uderī > *udrī > *utrī." --Victar (talk) 17:27, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
- @Victar: I defer to you on that. But what about the unexplained devoicing in Latin? --Barytonesis (talk) 17:16, 17 November 2017 (UTC)