Reconstruction talk:Proto-Germanic/haliþaz
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"health" misplaced?
[edit]Can anyone prove or illustrate that "health" evolved out of haliþaz? It strikes me as extremely odd, as the modern sense certainly has very little to do with "hero". There is another PG word, Reconstruction:Proto-Germanic/hailiþō that seems way more likely to be the (only) base for "health". RayZa (talk) 12:51, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- See health#Etymology 2. SURJECTION ·talk·contr·log· 00:47, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks, I see. Shouldn't "heleth" be also listed then? RayZa (talk) 12:51, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- It is, under Middle English. SURJECTION ·talk·contr·log· 12:52, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- It's just all very peculiar for me. (The section you linked also states "heleth" as an alternative spelling so that's why I asked.) So "health" supposedly also means "hero", yes? However none of the listed references states such a meaning. Is there really anyone who uses or used "health" (especially with that spelling) to mean "hero"? Of is it just assumed based on the assumed etymology from haliþaz? RayZa (talk) 13:00, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- I'm not sure about the alt form, it might be a mistake. As for the references, there is a citation, and since it is an obsolete meaning, you probably won't find much that would be more recent than that. SURJECTION ·talk·contr·log· 13:04, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- Ah, I see. It was collapsed and so I missed it. RayZa (talk) 13:17, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- I'm not sure about the alt form, it might be a mistake. As for the references, there is a citation, and since it is an obsolete meaning, you probably won't find much that would be more recent than that. SURJECTION ·talk·contr·log· 13:04, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- It's just all very peculiar for me. (The section you linked also states "heleth" as an alternative spelling so that's why I asked.) So "health" supposedly also means "hero", yes? However none of the listed references states such a meaning. Is there really anyone who uses or used "health" (especially with that spelling) to mean "hero"? Of is it just assumed based on the assumed etymology from haliþaz? RayZa (talk) 13:00, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- It is, under Middle English. SURJECTION ·talk·contr·log· 12:52, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks, I see. Shouldn't "heleth" be also listed then? RayZa (talk) 12:51, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
Declension
[edit]Judging by the Old Norse form hǫldr, it looks like this word might have originally patterned like "head", *háfud(< *káput-), obl. *ha(u)biþ-(< *kapít-), that is, *halud(a)z(< *kálut(o)s), obl. * haliþ-(< *kalít-). Here however the oblique didn't develop excrescent -au- like the oblique of head did, because the sound involved wasn't a labial, as discussed here: [[1]]. Anglom (talk) 04:50, 18 December 2019 (UTC)