Reconstruction talk:Proto-Germanic/darōþuz
Add topicLatest comment: 11 years ago by Leasnam in topic *darōþuz?
*darōþuz?
[edit]I remember seeing it in this form as well. That form may make a bit more sense because of the Old English form. Also, short -a- in a medial syllable usually disappears, but in this word it seems to have been preserved, which probably points to -ō-. Compare the various classes of weak verbs: class 1 -i- is lost, but class 2 -ō- remains as -a-. —CodeCat 18:43, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
- Long o (ō) makes sense. I just knew it probably wasn't short, as that sound did not (usually) occur in PGmc in native words. -ōþuz has got to be a suffix though, right? Perhaps only the -þuz is suffixal, and the vowel belongs to the verb ? There is *darōną (“to harm”). Leasnam (talk) 18:48, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
- OHG tart is unusual though, in that the -a-/-ō- disappears. Any insight there? Leasnam (talk) 18:51, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
- I don't know. I find it even stranger that þ appears as t rather than the expected d... —CodeCat 19:00, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
- Me too. There may be more that one ur-form. Old English has a by-form with -d (darod, dearod) corresponding to tart. Leasnam (talk) 19:03, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
- Gothic apparently has two other words with -ōþuz: gabaurjoþus (“pleasure”), gaunoþus (“grief”). —CodeCat 19:04, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
- And we have Old English -oþ as well. —CodeCat 19:05, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
- Yes! I created that entry loooong ago, before I created a username :) Leasnam (talk) 19:10, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
- Let's move it to *darōþuz then? Leasnam (talk) 19:11, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
- Yes! I created that entry loooong ago, before I created a username :) Leasnam (talk) 19:10, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
- Me too. There may be more that one ur-form. Old English has a by-form with -d (darod, dearod) corresponding to tart. Leasnam (talk) 19:03, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
- I don't know. I find it even stranger that þ appears as t rather than the expected d... —CodeCat 19:00, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
- OHG tart is unusual though, in that the -a-/-ō- disappears. Any insight there? Leasnam (talk) 18:51, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
- Long o (ō) makes sense. I just knew it probably wasn't short, as that sound did not (usually) occur in PGmc in native words. -ōþuz has got to be a suffix though, right? Perhaps only the -þuz is suffixal, and the vowel belongs to the verb ? There is *darōną (“to harm”). Leasnam (talk) 18:48, 13 May 2013 (UTC)