Wiktionary:Votes/bt-2009-08/User:Dawnraybot for bot status

User:Dawnraybot for bot status

• Nomination: I hereby request the Bot flag for User:Dawnraybot for the following purposes:

  Adding inflected form of French verbs. See form of manigancer, lubrifier, canaliser, engranger, convertir, détendre

• Rising Sun 16:35, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

• Vote ends: 23:59 24 August 2009 (UTC)
• Vote started: 16:35, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

• Discussion:

  User talk:Mglovesfun#conjugation_bot, User:Dawnraybot

Support

2. Support. Some small bugs, but Autoformat fixes those anyway. Mglovesfun (talk) 16:41, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
3. Support 50 Xylophone Players talk 17:46, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
4. Support Caladon 18:17, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
5. support - but it would be nice if this bot could add {{count page}} to its pages so they're counted in the statistics. -- Prince Kassad 10:26, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

   Having said that, Autoformat adds this, plus it might end up adding it to pages which don't need it (see canalises - already had the English entry). Mglovesfun (talk) 10:32, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

   Yes, this was my quibble. From what I understand, AutoFormat is running 24/7, so I don't think I'll burden that bot so much. --Rising Sun 10:36, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

   However, AutoFormat edits at a slow pace, and likely won't be able to keep up with the bot, which is my concern. -- Prince Kassad 10:38, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

   OK, it is added. It looks harmless. See e.g. détendisse. --Rising Sun 11:13, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

   Autoformat does not check edits made by other bots unless specifically asked to. Thanks for adding support. Conrad.Irwin 23:10, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

   AF will eventually check the results of bot adds as well, from the XML, it just doesn't pick them from RC. It is better if the bot adds {count page} if only to save an edit. If it is appending (canalises) it adds {rfc-auto} to get the languages sorted etc, so AF will drop {count page} on the same edit. So all good. Robert Ullmann 08:37, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

6. Support Conrad.Irwin 23:10, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
8. Support Ivan Štambuk 23:22, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
9. Support Felonia 18:52, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Oppose I would probably support this if pronunciations were included. It's not particularly difficult for French. — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 15:54, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Abstain

1. Abstain EncycloPetey 07:07, 22 August 2009 (UTC) I can't help but feel that Rising Sun is WF again. But, I can't substantiate that suspicion either, so I won't oppose. --EncycloPetey 07:07, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
   • Note: First trials used {{see}} instead of {{also}} - as in the data file that I gave to the late-lamented Keene (WF). SemperBlotto 07:15, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

     The first trials used {{see}} instead of {{also}} because I exactly copied the edits for Special:Contributions/Keenebot2. These bot edits were models, for my bot edits. It was a good place for starting. --Rising Sun 09:22, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

   • I was having the same very strong feeling, even before this reactivation of Keenebot2. He never disabused people considering him as a French native speaker, except when somebody made obvious to everybody that he was not a native speaker. Lmaltier 07:32, 22 August 2009 (UTC) Another (?) well-known vandal, Agricoleur, used this same bot (or, in any case, a bot clearly designed for en.wikt) for adding a very large number of English verb forms to fr.wikt. This bot was accepted, because it was useful, but without the bot flag. Lmaltier 09:16, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

     I have never pretended, that I'm a French native speaker. --Rising Sun 09:22, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

2. Abstain Amgine/^talk 16:03, 23 August 2009 (UTC) - Amgine/^talk 16:03, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

   I have concerns re: willingness to conform to community standards, specifically the operator has been running the bot prior to receiving bot status. Most bot operations were after the start of this vote, with ~4k new pages when I asked the user to desist until the vote was completed - which appears to have been immediately complied with. - Amgine/^talk 16:03, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Just some food for thought: first off if he was WF don't you think he would know not to use it before the vote passed (Y'know, to avoid looking suspicious and all that)? AFAICS RS was told by Ivan he could do what he was doing.

Secondly, perhaps:

a) Ivan did not know that you are not supposed to use a bot before the vote passes

b) RS misinterpreted Ivan here when Ivan added the bot to the autopatrollers list. 50 Xylophone Players talk 18:26, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

I thought he was doing test edits, testing the inflected forms of various French verb conjugation classes and the associated templates that generate them. I've seen several times bots doing test edits before they formally got a vote, so I thought it was OK. I added it to the autopatrollers group because it generated many unpatrolled edits, which took me 15 minutes to clean up that day. If someone had a problem on bot being heavily used, they could've simply asked the owner to refrain from all the unnecessary (non-testing) edits before getting the bot flag.. --Ivan Štambuk 19:10, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

PX50 was correct, when he said I had misinterpreted Ivan. Ivan said I could "play with" my bot (so I thought, fantastic, I could use it now). When Amgine asked me to refrain, I refrained. --Rising Sun 09:22, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

• I have replied to the issues hereabove, individually to the comments. --Rising Sun 09:22, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Decision

• Motion passes 7-1-2. Mglovesfun (talk) 09:14, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

• Made it so. SemperBlotto 09:23, 25 August 2009 (UTC)