User talk:Stujul

Can you please fix any mistakes you spot? FinalCeiling (talk) 13:04, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Re: diff on -e

Hey, it seems to me to be mistaken to conflate the suffix -e as in archeologe, assistente etc. with the ending -e as seen in Hollandse, Duitse, Amerikaanse and so forth. While the former suffix is probably from French in most cases, as you correctly indicated in your edit, instances of the latter surely just represent nominalized instances of the inflected form of the adjectives to which they belong? — Mnemosientje (t · c) 13:12, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Hey, yes, I think you're right in saying that these are two different usages of the suffix. I think the reason they were conflated is because of the "female" aspect. I will move this part of the sense at Etymology 1 to a new sense under Etymology 4.

On the same topic, I suppose words like wiskundige should also be analyzed as formed with this suffixed. Some of these are currently analysed as formed with a suffix -ige (see Category:Dutch terms suffixed with -ige).

Stujul (talk) 10:16, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

I am unsure about -ige: I think -ig + -e also makes sense here, perhaps more so than viewing it as a single suffix, but on the other hand it was added by an experienced editor, @Rua -- maybe she can give her view on the matter? — Mnemosientje (t · c) 07:20, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Module:fy-verbs

Hello Stujul! Mnemosientje recommended your help to me to add the separable verbs function in the Frisian module, I would like to know if you can help me :) Augustijn Bakker (talk) 13:18, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello Augustijn! I will be happy to help, but in order to do so, I will need some input from you.

Firstly, do separable verbs function exactly the same as in Dutch? Can you give an example of a Frisian separable verb and its conjugation?

Secondly, How do you want to display the new forms in the table? Would it be the same as in Dutch (e.g. like the table in opeten)?

Stujul (talk) 14:49, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

1 You can see how separable verb conjugations work here.

2 I think it can be like in Dutch, it's good enough. Augustijn Bakker (talk) 18:57, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

I've added the functionality in a test module at MOD:User:Stujul/fy-verbs. If I understand correctly how the separable verbs function, then it should work correctly. You can test it using the template {{t:User:Stujul/fy-infl-verb-wk1}} with the parameter |sep= for the separable part, as I've done on my testing page User:Stujul/test-fy-infl-verb.

I have a few further questions:

Firstly, what are the rules for adding a hyphen between the separable part and the main verb? In the Dutch verb module, a hyphen is added between when the separable part ends in a vowel and the main verb begins with that same vowel (e.g. mee-eten). I've just copied this functionality over, but I would not be surprised if there are other rules.

Secondly, how should the separable verbs be categorised? For the Dutch verbs, they are categorised by the separable part, such as Category:Dutch separable verbs with mee. Should I do the same for West Frisian?

Lastly, would you mind if I changed the colour scheme to match that of the Dutch table, so that it works correctly in dark mode?

Stujul (talk) 17:35, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello Stujul! I am very grateful for your help, thank you very much; about conjugations, you can see the complete paradigm here, the site is in Dutch so I think you will be able to use it, I'm not very good at explaining these aspects yet.

Regarding the color scheme, do whatever you think is best, I'm already very grateful for your work :) Augustijn Bakker (talk) 13:29, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

You're very welcome! I've looked at that website, but it doesn't really give all the conjugations in a clear way. But looking at other sources on the web, it seems that they work as in Dutch.

I've changed the colours to work in dark mode and added rules on when there should be a hyphen, based on AP:pron:fy and what I found on the website you sent.

I will make sure the categorisation works correctly, and publish the updated module tonight. Please let me know if there is something wrong, or if you'd like help with anything else :)

Stujul (talk) 21:15, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Wow! Your work was excellent, I am very grateful and happy for your help, you don't know how happy I am :); I will test the module in its entirety tomorrow, if I notice anything I will let you know, thank you very much for your help!

( Augustijn Bakker (talk) 02:47, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Another update to the verbs module

Hello Stujul, how are you? I hope you are well! I would like to ask for your help again with the verb module, this time I would like to ask you if you can add the fast (green) links and add the clitic forms.

To add clitic forms, simply add the suffix -o in the second person singular form, both in the present and past tense, and they are not used in separable verbs; clitic forms are used in case of inversion, as in Dutch: gaat -> ga (Frisian: do dreamst -> dreamsto?) Augustijn Bakker (talk) 18:10, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello Augustijn, I am fine, thanks for asking!

I have added the clitic forms to my test module (see User:Stujul/test-fy-infl-verb for the results); is this what you had in mind? If so, then I will add it to the main module.

The green acceleration links are not something I have worked with before, so I will look at that when I have more time.

Stujul (talk) 22:36, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

This is exactly what I had in mind, thank you very much!; there is no rush, feel free to do it whenever you can :) Augustijn Bakker (talk) 22:38, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Alright! I have fixed some copy-pasting errors and pushed the module :)

Stujul (talk) 22:49, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you very much 🙏 Augustijn Bakker (talk) 22:59, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

I need to report a problem: in separable verbs (for example: ûnderhâlde), the separable part is allying with the auxiliary verb Augustijn Bakker (talk) 17:01, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. It should be fixed now.

Stujul (talk) 18:41, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you very much again for your work :) Augustijn Bakker (talk) 19:28, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello Stujul! (Sorry to bother you for the thousandth time 😭) I forgot to ask you to add the prefixed verbs to the module Augustijn Bakker (talk) 22:00, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

Haha, don't worry, I am happy to help. When you say add the prefixed verbs, do you mean adding a parameter |pref= as in the Dutch module?

Stujul (talk) 13:20, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

Yup :) Augustijn Bakker (talk) 13:51, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

 Done in my test module, although I want to ask: should the categorization be the same as the Dutch verbs? Dutch categorizes prefixed verbs because they behave differently than basic verbs, but as far as I can tell, this is not the case for West Frisian verbs (i.e., there is no default ge- prefix for the past participle which the prefix replaces).

Stujul (talk) 14:44, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

Thank you very much again for your work!; I would like there to be categorization, if it doesn't cause any problems/contradictions :) Augustijn Bakker (talk) 15:12, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

Alright, I have pushed the updated module and created the relevant categories. Of course, since this parameter was not there before, many verbs are now in the wrong category. Will you go through these? Also, I saw that some verbs use the template {{fy-conj}}, which should probably be migrated as well.

Stujul (talk) 10:15, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

Thank you very much again for your amazing work! Count on me, I will fix all these entries :) Augustijn Bakker (talk) 13:25, 5 February 2025 (UTC)