User talk:SKA-KSI

Formatting

Hey there. We welcome all edits, but make sure to format properly. This includes using templates and correct language codes, among other things. Take a look at some changes I have recently made to some of your edits.

Happy etymology-ing! ArbDardh (talk) 16:55, 21 March 2020 (UTC)ArbDardh

Formatting

I noticed that you recently created hardhje. The formatting is better, which is good. Just make sure to add a reference. ArbDardh (talk) 21:48, 30 March 2020 (UTC)ArbDardh

The words "hardhje" and "hardhucë" are the same; both are found in "fjalori shkenca" (http://m.fjalori.shkenca.org) and mean "lizard".

@ "hardhucë" it says "shih hardhje" ("see lizard"). Not sure if it's really neccessary to add this link on every alb. entry tho... I mean, for e.p. for 'këputë' and 'këpucë' (sole of a shoe; "shoe") it isn't even mentioned that këpu[cë] is a diminutive form of këpu[të] (but ending -c/-ucë is mentioned by V.Orel's book and this serves as ref.). It's the size of the animal that makes the differnce.SKA-KSI (talk) 20:53, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Done. Added reference and created entry for "hardhël" ("hardhje, hardhucë, etc." are mentioned as other variants of "hardhël" in V.Orels book). Btw I appriciate the fact that you took the time to write the message and I appriciate your edits (I know formatting ain't my strength #1 :s Thank you.SKA-KSI (talk) 21:37, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

No problem! ArbDardh (talk) 13:30, 5 April 2020 (UTC)ArbDardh

E re

Hi there. I have requested a move of e re to re. This is because whilst adjective forms are perfectly fine, they should not include the clitic (here e) in the title. ArbDardh (talk) 13:08, 7 April 2020 (UTC)ArbDardh

Well okay, my bad. May I ask which alb. do you actually speak - Gheg or Tosk?SKA-KSI (talk) 01:29, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Personally, I am Gheg, but am comfortable with both dialects. ArbDardh (talk) 12:07, 11 April 2020 (UTC)ArbDardh

Edit summaries

Hi. Signing ~~~~ doesn't work in edit summaries. It's only for discussion pages like this one. Equinox ◑ 23:35, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Good to know. Thank you!SKA-KSI (talk) 23:37, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Accents

Hi there, again. Just a reminder that we do not use accents in Albanian, such as in trashëgój. You can include it in the IPA pronunciation, but just not as part of the word - Albanian doesn’t have any accents anyway. Also, there’s no need to use head=[word] in the noun/verb templates, sq-verb/sq-noun is sufficient. Happy editing! ArbDardh (talk) 16:19, 2 May 2020 (UTC)ArbDardh

Hi ArbDardh, actually they exist. (Fjalor Shqip) Albanian dictionary: "trashëgój" > [1]. Maybe f.e. Orel didn't pay attention to them but Martin Camaj and others did. Accents are part of Albanian Orthography. Accents are included in Serbo-Croatian entries too (the same way I include them). I don't get why they shouldn't be allowed in Albanian entries? It's not like I "invented" the "ó" in trashëgój or included it for no reason.SKA-KSI (talk) 18:02, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Also I would have appriciate writing a messge before deleting the accents. I added a link to Albanian dictionry in "further readings". The accent in ó was sourced.SKA-KSI (talk) 18:08, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

The important question is whether someone writing to communicate would use the accents. There are many languages that have accents and diacritics that are shown in dictionary entries, but not used in regular writing except for educational purposes, for instance, vowels in Arabic (see Arabic ماء (māʔ)) or macrons to indicate length of Latin vowels (see Latin liber). In such cases, Wiktionary tends to show them in the headword, but not in the name of the entry. That said, the decision on what goes in the entry name and what goes in the headword is usually left for the community of editors working on a specific language to decide. Chuck Entz (talk) 20:07, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

As far as I know it isn't forbidden to add them like I did (especially since they exist in Albanian). I did not include them in the name of the entry, simply bc it was clear to me that they don't belong there. Like in cf. Serbo-Croatian I added them in headwords. Maybe I'm alone with this one (maybe not) - but I think that accents and diacritics in headwords are a good thing and make it easier to distinguish between words that might look as "the same" for non-albanophone folks (cf. alb. "dhi"; which means "goat" but also "I defecate").SKA-KSI (talk) 20:29, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

A discussion on accents

Hi, again. After more thought, I again strongly urge you to start a proper discussion on accents in Albanian entries. I am having to revert your edits because we still haven't reached a proper conclusion, which I find terribly annoying. ArbDardh (talk) 16:20, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Well, don't you think it's impossible to come to a proper conclusion when you constantly revert, delete and get rid of them? Is it so difficult for you to just leave them where they are? I would understant if accents would be some sort of typo. But these accents aren't typos. Since you don't want them I think I strongly urge you to start a proper discussion on accents in Albanian entries. The accents aren't bothering me, not at all tbh. Especially not bc they are included in Albanian Dictionaries too. I did not include them "for fun" or to "annoy" you. I did not "invent" them - but they exist since before Albania even became an independent nation and they are still part of the Albanian language.SKA-KSI (talk) 17:47, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Also: I am showing them in the headword and not in the name of the entry (as Wiktionary tends to show them). Just asking again, where's and what's your problem with accents again? How is it problematic when they aren't shown in the name of the entry - but in the headword? To me all this seems like creating a problem and wasting time for no reason.SKA-KSI (talk) 17:53, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

On the use of {{der|sq|sq|[term]}}

Hey, just butting in with a small thing to look out for when formatting etymologies: if you mark a word as derived from its own language (through e.g. {{der|sq|sq|[term]}}), it will be categorized as twice-borrowed, which does not appear to be appropriate in the case of your edits to lashtë, lëshoj and Balë. Instead, you can just use something like the {{m}} template in such cases (see my edits to the pages linked). — Mnemosientje (t · c) 13:19, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

You're right; my formatting wasn't appropriate. Thank you Mnemosientje; I appriciate your edits. SKA-KSI (talk) 12:52, 6 February 2021 (UTC)