User talk:Pbb
Latest comment: 18 years ago by Vildricianus in topic ijs
Horizontal lines
[edit]I take it you are working your through the 120,000 or so Wikitionary articles and removing all the horizontal lines? Presumably you realise that since this is not agreed policy everybody else will be adding them back in... Jonathan Webley 15:05, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- I apologise for the offence caused by my sarcasm. I was just trying to point out the futility of making unilateral changes – you need to achieve consensus first. Your idea seems sensible, though I don’t have the technical skills to make a proper decision. Jonathan Webley 07:27, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
ijs
[edit]ijs. Not ijs. This will lead us nowhere. The ligature doesn't exist in praxis. You could interchange the redirection and the entry the other way round, the one with ligature should redirect to the three-letter entry. — Vildricianus 23:37, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- I believe the ligature definetly exists in practice. What if "ijs" is the first word in a sentence? Is it written "Ijs" or "IJs"? -- Pbb 10:05, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- It's written "IJs". The use of the ligature has recently been discussed in the Tea room. I believe it's nigh impossible to enforce its use. Think for instance all the translations (ice). There's simply no need for that, we should keep it simple and have the "ij" in all Dutch words simply as i + j. And above all we should be consistent and always use either one of the two, which is the two-letter combination. — Vildricianus 10:50, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- Reading the Wikipedia article on w:æ, I must say it has very much the same status in English as w:ij has in Dutch. No official location in the alphabeth, commonly written as two seperate letters, but causing problems in names. Compare for example w:Aeon Flux which redirects to w:Æon Flux, while w:archæology redirects to w:archaeology. My opinion is, we can keep the common usage of two letters where it doesn't really matter (as in "dijk"), but should use the correct single letter when it actually makes a difference (as in "IJmuiden"). Especially in the English Wikipedia and Wiktionary, since it is used there by non-Dutch who will not understand why "ij" is capitalized as "IJ", while "ei" is capitalized as "Ei". -- Pbb 13:18, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- I wouldn't even agree on "IJmuiden" (I had to copy-paste that), but this argument could go on endlessly. Anyway, I've interchanged redirects at ijs and I'll find some place to explain this issue for future questions. — Vildricianus 18:12, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- Fine. Are you also going to add a section that "ijs" should be capitalized as "IJs"? Not every foreigner, if any at all, will understand the reason behind not writing "Ijs"... -- Pbb 20:31, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- That information should go in the entry for ij/ij. I have yet to clean that up. Every Dutch entry beginning wich "ij" should then ideally have a reference to this article. — Vildricianus 20:35, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- Fine. Are you also going to add a section that "ijs" should be capitalized as "IJs"? Not every foreigner, if any at all, will understand the reason behind not writing "Ijs"... -- Pbb 20:31, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- I wouldn't even agree on "IJmuiden" (I had to copy-paste that), but this argument could go on endlessly. Anyway, I've interchanged redirects at ijs and I'll find some place to explain this issue for future questions. — Vildricianus 18:12, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- Reading the Wikipedia article on w:æ, I must say it has very much the same status in English as w:ij has in Dutch. No official location in the alphabeth, commonly written as two seperate letters, but causing problems in names. Compare for example w:Aeon Flux which redirects to w:Æon Flux, while w:archæology redirects to w:archaeology. My opinion is, we can keep the common usage of two letters where it doesn't really matter (as in "dijk"), but should use the correct single letter when it actually makes a difference (as in "IJmuiden"). Especially in the English Wikipedia and Wiktionary, since it is used there by non-Dutch who will not understand why "ij" is capitalized as "IJ", while "ei" is capitalized as "Ei". -- Pbb 13:18, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- It's written "IJs". The use of the ligature has recently been discussed in the Tea room. I believe it's nigh impossible to enforce its use. Think for instance all the translations (ice). There's simply no need for that, we should keep it simple and have the "ij" in all Dutch words simply as i + j. And above all we should be consistent and always use either one of the two, which is the two-letter combination. — Vildricianus 10:50, 4 March 2006 (UTC)