User talk:JackPotte

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Formatting

Please refer to WT:ELE for formatting standards. You are using nonstandard format and nonstandard headers.

It is also inappropriate to add words for languages you do not speak/write yourself. Usually doing so means that you are violating copyright on a published dictionary. --EncycloPetey 18:21, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

EP? Lots of words are added by people who can't (yet) say they speak or write the language. And single-word translations cannot be copyright violation, even if someone is reading through a dictionary, because they don't constitute any creative content, nor novel arrangement or collection.

EP sees to have blocked you; send me email if you like (since you can't write here). Robert Ullmann 18:27, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

But most people don't do it simultaneously in Dutch, German, French, Swedish, and Latin. The block should allow for time to learn basic formatting. I've already spent over an hour cleaning up the Latin entries that JackPotte added in the last 24 hours. Many use improper formatting, incorrect headers, and all are lacking inflection lines. There are still the Dutch, French, ... entries that will have to be cleaned up. --EncycloPetey 19:25, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Swaedish lists

These are far from ideal for creating entries. They are designed to compare cognates across languages, and often the word selected is not the typical word for that meaning, and may have a very different primary meaning. Again, creating entries from published lists for languages you do not know is considered poor form by the community. --EncycloPetey 06:29, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Block

EP: you added the first comment above at 18:21 UTC; the first chance the user had to note it was saving sordidus‎ at 18:22 UTC, you blocked for one week at 18:23 before the user could do anything, reply, fix entries, anything. He is a new user, and was adding entries in good faith, and has (now) sent me email. I am unblocking, if there is a further issue with this user it should be discussed. Robert Ullmann 07:16, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Please confer off-wiki with Semper and Connel, who have been contacted regarding this matter. --EncycloPetey 07:25, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Pronunciations

Please put pronunciations in the Pronunciation section like this, and not on the inflection line. --EncycloPetey 04:52, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Interwikis

Sorry, but I don't understand why you've added interwiki links here [1]. Those target pages do not exist on the Spanish, German, etc. Wiktionaries. --EncycloPetey 18:28, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello, just 2 reasons, first because they must exist in the futur and second in order to show that there is a work to do on these wikis, and for this addition internauts would be inspired by the English definition and jump for one wiki to another. JackPotte 19:31, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Barre?

On WT:GP#Ultimate wiktionary you mention something about degrees of homonymity etc. It sounded interesting, but was unable to find anywhere to read about it. Perhaps you could chuck a link in my direction? Conrad.Irwin 22:31, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

It was a suggestion from our current needs (I didn't find any weblink about that too). JackPotte 01:21, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Regarding that list, Wiktionary:Project Multilingual Translations isn't the right place for that. I've removed it from there, but maybe you want to save it somewhere else. --Bequw → ¢ • τ 05:47, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you it's saved. JackPotte 08:26, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

 Done http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposal:The_ultimate_dictionary. JackPotte 16:57, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Templates

WT:USER states explicitly that userboxes are not to be created or used. Template:Documentation should not exist (which is why it's already been deleted four times with that edit summary). Conrad.Irwin 08:53, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Read and approved. JackPotte 11:44, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Translations

Please use {{subst:fr}} i.e. French not {{fr}}. DAVilla 07:22, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Interwikis for "Wiktionary:About ____"

Hi JackPotte,

The interwikis you're adding seem to be wrong. Wiktionary:About Hindi (for example) is an internal page for editors, explaining how Wiktionary policies and conventions apply to Hindi-language entries, whereas fr:Annexe:Prononciation/hindi is a page for users, explaining how Hindi letters are pronounced.

—Ruakh_TALK 19:09, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

The majority of the other policies contains the same pronunciation as the fr interwikis from today. I suggest to create the Hindi pronunciation board there from the French one. JackPotte 20:10, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

However, I've another possible link which better corresponds to policies : I'm going to install it for the different languages. JackPotte 20:33, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. We do plan to create Appendix:Hindi pronunciation, and so on; we just haven't gotten around to it yet. When we do, you can be sure we'll start by stealing the Wiktionnaire pages. :-)   —Ruakh_TALK 20:37, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Templates

Please do not make edits like this. Wiktionary policy is to not include any interwiki links, non-included information, explanatory text, etc. within the template itself. All of that goes on the Discussion page for the template, not inside the template itself. --EncycloPetey 04:25, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 Done : understood. JackPotte 15:47, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

{{welcomeip}}

This edit doesn't seem to make much sense. Without the subst, all the ifeq stuff is left on the page. And why was the period eliminated? --Yair rand 05:08, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

 Done User_talk:Yair_rand#.7B.7Bwelcomeip.7D.7D. JackPotte 05:46, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Huh? You mean it was showing all of the wikisyntax on every single page it was used on? --Yair rand 05:53, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

 Done. JackPotte 05:59, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

BOTs

Wiktionary requires that users acquire permission before running a bot. Please review Wiktionary:Bots. --EncycloPetey 16:20, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Showing support

As you did not know that you could support your own vote, you should know that you are also allowed to support the deletion request of the categories individually on WT:RFDO. Specifically, you can vote delete on:

• WT:RFDO#Category:Metasyntactic words
• WT:RFDO#Category:English words spelled with nonstandard characters
• WT:RFDO#Category:English words spelled with diacritics
• WT:RFDO#Category:English words spelled with ligatures

--Bequw → ¢ • τ 21:05, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

 Done Thank you for your pugnacious accuracy. JackPotte 20:12, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

você

"Você" is not used in Portugal. Where did you read in this reference that "você" is used in Portugal? Jesielt (user talk) 15:38, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

total false friend

Hi. Isn't this simply SoP "total" + "false friend" ? -- ALGRIF talk 18:14, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

 Done (User_talk:Algrif#total_false_friend). JackPotte 19:15, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Wiktionary:English pronunciation key

Please use the IPA template for the text. Many browsers still have difficulty displaying IPA symbols, and removing the use of the {{IPAchar}} template will thus reduce the usability of the page for our readers. Also, it might be better to use a following link with audio icon to indicate that the link will be to a sound, rather than directly linking the text. --EncycloPetey 23:19, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Category:Roman

Please stop that. --EncycloPetey 23:00, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Category:Definite nouns by language, etc.

The "by language" categories aren't actually supposed to be categorized under each other, according to the standard category structure. Thus, even though Category:Bulgarian definite nouns should be categorized under Category:Bulgarian nouns, Category:Definite nouns by language should not be categorized under Category:Nouns by language. All "by language" categories are only supposed to be under Category:All parts of speech. --Yair rand 22:43, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Caution

Please note that some languages use the header "Number" while others use "Numeral". We have never agreed on a consistent nomenclature, so best to check each time, lest we end up with duplicate categories. --EncycloPetey 21:35, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Moreover we've got Category:Arabic ordinal numbers + Category:ar:Ordinal numbers, it's not really ergonomic. JackPotte 21:45, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Phrasebook categories

I think that the categories for phrasebooks that you are just creating (based on what discussion, anyway?) should not appear in topical categories. Hence my recent removals. --Dan Polansky 10:34, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, it can also work without (my reason was the fr.wikt process). JackPotte 11:50, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Letters by language

There is the template {{symbcatboiler}}, not {{poscatboiler}}, for categories of letters. --Daniel. 17:58, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

nearbypages.fcgi

Hi JackPotte. I'm back hacking Wiktionary again though without unlimited internet access sadly. Is it just you working on this or are there several people and if so where do you discuss it? How far have you gotten? I would like to help and participate to make an improved unified nearbypages that can be useful for many projects. — hippietrail 03:47, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Wiktionary:Votes/bt-2010-11/User:JackBot2

You are free to support your own proposal. Mglovesfun (talk) 14:59, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

ser as suppletive

How does Spanish ser qualify as suppletive? All of its forms derive from the forms of a single Latin verb, and are therefore etymologically related through Latin. --EncycloPetey (talk) 09:13, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

w:es:Supletismo#Conjungación heteróclita: soy / fui / seré (donde aparecen dos raíces: *-s- y fu-).

I'm sincerely sorry to not be able to bring you more sources my lord. JackPotte (talk) 11:21, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Geologic times

Hello,

1. I've written User:Christian COGNEAUX/English geologic names. Would you create the articles please. Be careful, there's some blue links. Thanks.
2. I don't see WikEd in the english WT. Is there an equivalent ?

Christian COGNEAUX (talk) 07:04, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Boreal

I can see two things that could be improved. You need a disambiguation "see also" at the top (to point to (deprecated template usage) boreal, and some words in the definition need wikifying. I'll do it this time. SemperBlotto (talk) 17:53, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. JackPotte (talk) 17:54, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

• • And you needed a "trans-mid" template in the translation section. SemperBlotto (talk)

Oh sorry, in the French version we don't use it anymore because our {{trans-top}} creates automatically the columns (CSS column-count). JackPotte (talk) 18:00, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

oxfordian (and probably others)

This most definitely needs wikifikation and further explanation. I've done this one. SemperBlotto (talk) 17:58, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

OK, the "see also" template would also do the link. I'm going to treat the others... JackPotte (talk) 18:01, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

I don't think your bot's lower-case forms are correct! It's always Gzhelian, for instance, not gzhelian. Equinox ◑ 18:39, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Well, I don't find any attestation too. My creations were based on some few dictionaries attestations like Reverso. But at the opposite of French, the upper case forms are predominant in English.

Maybe we should also correct the "proper noun" mention which was present into Permian and some others... JackPotte (talk) 18:46, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

I've just submitted that to the community. JackPotte (talk) 19:01, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Fortunian

This one has the translation section for Drumian. Shall I delete them all so you can start again? SemperBlotto (talk) 18:03, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

It's the only one error because it was the last one and my script didn't recognize the end of the board, I'm going to proceed. JackPotte (talk) 18:05, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Adjectives of Category:en:Geological periods

Sorry. I only see your post now. Indeed, if you search in scholar.google.com, you will see geologic adjectives in upper case : Maastrichtian fauna for example. Read also : http://www.anglaisfacile.com/free/news/1ad.php Bon courage Christian COGNEAUX (talk) 23:10, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Category:French verbs taking être as auxiliary

I don't get why you added this category to verbs like scinder, dépenser or rejoindre? --Fsojic (talk) 19:33, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Because the category isn't Category:French verbs taking only être as auxiliary.

Je suis scindé : I'm cut.

Je me suis dépensé : I've made my sport.

Je suis rejoins : I'm joined.

JackPotte (talk) 19:39, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

But that's the regular formation of passive/pronominal, surely we don't want to have it everywhere? And the name of the category would be misleading, don't you think? --Fsojic (talk) 19:50, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Not everywhere. The fact that in French the passive form past participle is always composed with the auxiliary "être" makes the category you want undeniably called differently (unless it's amphibological). JackPotte (talk) 20:04, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Blocking policy

FYI: If you read WT:BLOCK carefully, you will realize that the full text of the blocking policy is this:

The block tool should only be used to prevent edits that will, directly or indirectly, hinder or harm the progress of the English Wiktionary.

It should not be used unless less drastic means of stopping these edits are, by the assessment of the blocking administrator, highly unlikely to succeed.

There is no requirement of discussing with a blocked user account before blocking. --Dan Polansky (talk) 11:43, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

This summary doesn't encourage to bypass the details below: There are few other means of protecting Wiktionary; the most obvious is by discussion on the users’ talk pages. Some effort should be made to explain to people why their edits are considered incorrect, however a short block can be given if they clearly won’t listen. In cases where a user has had something explained to them, an explicit warning should be given to them before blocking them; this can show that they have no intention of mending their ways.

Moreover in the case of my bot the editions were already stopped and I've always answered without any drastic stopping. JackPotte (talk) 11:57, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Just forget the details below; they are not the policy; they are just a vestige of times past. In any case, it is an overwhelming common practice in en:wikt to block vandals and morons without talking to them. "an explicit warning should be given to them before blocking them" is just bollocks. --Dan Polansky (talk) 11:59, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

I know that you're talking as a great patroller, but in the French Wiktionary we always apply this "old" policy as it's written and it works, we had no reclamation and we can judge or convert what you call "morons" after a minimum of exchange. JackPotte (talk) 12:06, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

My patrolling contribution is negligible, and I do not have blocking tools. But it does not matter. We don't like to explain spammers that spamming is bad; we just block them. And I find that very reasonable. We are not a kindergarten. --Dan Polansky (talk) 12:13, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

I don't agree to judge someone as an incorrigible spammer without talking with him, I'll try to explain it in your new paragraph Wiktionary:Beer_parlour/2014/August#Block_policy_clarification. JackPotte (talk) 12:19, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Re: "I don't agree to judge someone as an incorrigible spammer without talking with him": In en.wikt, you're a minority. Also, the "someone" is often rather a "something""--a bot systematically creating user accounts after a pattern. --Dan Polansky (talk) 12:21, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Bot vote

FYI, I made Wiktionary:Votes/bt-2014-08/User:JackBot for bot status. I never created a bot vote before, so I may have done something wrong; let us see. Are you okay with having the bot approved only for interwiki? --Dan Polansky (talk) 20:26, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

It seems already perfect, thanks. JackPotte (talk) 20:29, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Do you remember, is there a requirement that the bot should produce some test edits? --Dan Polansky (talk) 20:30, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Every time, but mine are done. JackPotte (talk) 20:31, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

I have moved one item from the vote page to the talk page, to Wiktionary_talk:Votes/bt-2014-08/User:JackBot_for_bot_status#Other bot work. If you mess up the vote, it will more likely fail, which you do not want to happen. --Dan Polansky (talk) 20:40, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Děkuji. JackPotte (talk) 20:44, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Your bote User:JackBot has been approved, is unblocked and has a bot flag. See also Wiktionary:Votes/bt-2014-08/User:JackBot for bot status. --Dan Polansky (talk) 09:01, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

However, I don't know whether diff is correct. User:Ruakh, do you know the answer? --Dan Polansky (talk) 09:03, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

It avoids to redirect the visitors. I think that it's only attached like that in Wikidata. JackPotte (talk) 09:37, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

That change is not correct. We should be linking to the redirect, not to the redirect-target. —Ruakh_TALK 17:43, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

utc

dear sir what is the meaning of utc

I've just put these links in the box to explain it: UTC is the England time zone, UTC + 1 the French one (it's 13:10 for me now). JackPotte (talk) 12:10, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

JDK etc.

I think these are better classified as proper nouns. It's not uncountable because you can't say "some JDK" in the way you would say "some rice", etc. Equinox ◑ 00:44, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Sure, I hesitated because a few of these initialisms could be found with a plural -s. JackPotte (talk) 00:46, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

{{fr-possessive determiners}}

Hi,

I wonder if you're willing to make a small change to one of your great templates: {{fr-possessive determiners}}. The possessive adjectives "mon", "ton" and "son" need to be marked that they can also be used with vowel-initial words (or starting with an "h" muet) regardless of gender. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 13:11, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Yes you're right, we usually say "mon amie" and not "ma amie". So I will formulate this tonight. JackPotte (talk) 16:55, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 21:50, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

classifieur and classifier

You added a sense to classifier, "object which creates the class instances." Apparently the French cognate classifieur has this meaning. In my experience the word factory is used in English to describe an object that creates objects. Do you have examples of use of the English word classifier in this sense? Vox Sciurorum (talk) 19:45, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, good remark because the lack of precision of my definition could also match the factory design pattern as you've noticed. So I'm going to provide more elements. JackPotte (talk) 20:09, 15 November 2020 (UTC)