User talk:Iryna Harpy

ѧ and ꙗ

Please do not confuse these two letters. They are distinct and represented different sounds originally. —CodeCat 02:06, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

The problem is that the unicode symbol simply doesn't work (unless the reader has the correct fonts loaded - hence it becomes a question of whether they're linguists who are likely to have everything from Middle English to Old Slavic fonts onboard). Wouldn't it make sense to use a graphic here? I know it makes it awkward, but a graphic is better than an unrecognised square with R6 over S7 showing up (&, if appropriately named' should show up via the alt tag for those reading 'text only'. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 03:35, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

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Eastern Orthodox Church

Hi,

Please note my change to your edit. "Українська Православна Церква" is specifically "Ukrainian Orthodox Church". --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 00:35, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Спасибо большая, Анатолий! Yes, of course. Thank you for picking this up so swiftlyǃ I'm flipping back and forth between Wikipedia & here trying to clean up various translations (& transliterations) which have been referenced in Wikipedia. There's certainly a lot of work to be doneː with Old Eastern Slavic in particular. I think I'd better give it a rest for now before I make more errors than clean ups. I have much to learn about the differences between Wikipedia formatting Wiktionary formatting. The next step is to do some comprehensive reading on the basics of Wiktionary before I tackle anything. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:47, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

I have created a basic set of headword-line templates: Category:Old East Slavic headword-line templates. You can use them to format the headword line (the line right below the ===Noun===, ===Verb=== etc), and they will automatically show a transliteration of the current word. —CodeCat 01:16, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, CodeCat. I'm looking forward to trying out your templates. Very useful, indeed! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 01:54, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Re:Спасибо большая большое. Пожалуйста :) --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 01:40, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Ну, просто сором. Граматика моя ні до чого! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 01:52, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Нічого соромного тут немає. :) Бажаю удачі. Яку мову ви вивчаєте, російську чи українську? --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 02:45, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

На жаль, вже справа не в тому, а на якому я скоріше забуваю говорити. Я живу в Австралії, і понад двадцять років не вживаю ні ту, ні другу (ну, дуже рідко). Сумна справа, бо вже англійська мова стала рідною. Приємно познайомитися з вами. Дякую знову за допомогу. Зі мною можете свобідно або або розмовляти. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 03:33, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Я тоже живу в Австралии, в Мельбурне уже 16 лет, но дома мы говорим по-русски и детей учим. Мне тоже приятно познакомиться. А вы в каком городе? --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 03:39, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Та, не може вже бути! Я теж в Мельборні - понад 30 років тут живу! Чудово, що вчите дітей по російському говорити. Так має бути. Чоловік мій Грецького походження, і ми ніколи не мали дітей. Лише чую російську мову коли закупки роблю в Балаклаві... ой, але це ж не російська мова, не українська мова, а ціла каша. Я ще добре пам'ятаю як розкішно звучить культурна російська мова, і яка милозвучна чиста українська мова звучить. В Балаклаві мені завжди вуха починають тріщати. =) --Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:50, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Ирина, так мы с вами земляки, ха-ха и там и здесь - я в Украине родился, в Харькове, но жил и в России и в Украине. Мы сейчас живём в Розанне (Rosanna), возле Хайделберга (Heidelberg). Иногда мы делаем покупки в Балаклаве, но это далековато от нас. Не забывайте украинский, вы ещё очень хорошо на нём разговариваете, как я погляжу :). Если нужна помощь, могу помочь. Кое-какие шаблоны и ресурсы уже есть. Могу писать по-украински, если нужно, но намного хуже, надеюсь, что вас не затрудняет русский? --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 12:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)